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Scammer by 'The Lawyer' for 100,000 gold on WoW EU Argent Dawn Horde

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Date that scamming took place: ex; February 5th 2011
Method of Contact Used: yahoo messenger
Instant Messenger ID of scammer: [email protected]
Your Instant Messenger ID: [email protected]
MMOBAY Account of Scammer: View Profile: The Lawyer - Trade WoW Accounts - WoW Account Trading
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What was scammed?:
http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-item...old-wow-eu-argent-dawn-horde.html#post2382438

Price agreed was 2.3$/k and I was selling 100k (will provide relevent prood later)

Was a middleman used?:
If yes, who?: No middleman was used
Describe how you were scammed: We agreed to trade 100k gold at 2.3$/K . He said so I could trust him I would trade 30k - payment 30k payment 30k -payment 10k - payment.
We agreed on partial face-to-face trade and guildbank deposits. However, this changed, I was not paid after trading 38,600 gold and was told to trade the remaing amount
to another character. I did this.....(screenshots etc.. will be provided). Anyway, as you will see in the logs I am told to keep waiting for payment, but never have recieved any.
I hope by submitting this thread this guy can either be brought to justice or hopefully everything will work out legit...
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tobycoleman84: Heyya
laywer_99: hello there
laywer_99: Ok
laywer_99: as I said
laywer_99: I am interested into purchasing some gold
laywer_99: Argent Dawn Horde
laywer_99: Am I right?
tobycoleman84: EU
tobycoleman84: not US
laywer_99: Yes EU
laywer_99: that's good
tobycoleman84: How much you looking at?
laywer_99: Around 100k
tobycoleman84: price per k?
laywer_99: 2.3 USD/K
laywer_99: I don't buy gold for me
tobycoleman84: I'm in agreement with that
laywer_99: But that shouldn't concern you
tobycoleman84: One thing does concern me
laywer_99: I am listening
laywer_99: Place your question then
tobycoleman84: You don't have any reputation on mmobay
tobycoleman84: neither do I
tobycoleman84: So obviously in the interest in both of us
laywer_99: I have reputation
laywer_99: In my country
tobycoleman84: Ohh can you link me the page?
laywer_99: in a MMo-Trading forum
laywer_99: sure wait a sec
laywer_99: Publicitate | MMO Trades - Computer Games Forum
tobycoleman84: I'm not doubting you and I don't want to come across as rude
laywer_99: actually the moderator is my room-mate
tobycoleman84: Just being cautious
laywer_99: It is not a problem, friend
laywer_99: We know that it is hard at first
laywer_99: But we want fast@smooth things to happen
laywer_99: If you're not into this, stop chatting with me now!
tobycoleman84: I want to trade
tobycoleman84: Would you be happy using a Middleman?
laywer_99: It is ok for me
laywer_99: But if you pay it
laywer_99: last time when I checked it was 30usd~ or something
laywer_99: Lot of scammers there also
laywer_99: You didnt listen
laywer_99: How I would have liked to do this trade
tobycoleman84: how would you like to do this trade?
laywer_99: I believe that you are a bit afraid, and both want small chances
laywer_99: 80k gold, I pay for full amount, and after 20k, and hopefully you will not forget about those!!
laywer_99: Payment will be sent by us via Paypal
laywer_99: as a GIFT
laywer_99: by doing this, we get rid of those FEES and you, the SELLER, have full imunity
laywer_99: We cannot recall
laywer_99: Also, I am a bit older than you are on MMoBay, but In my country i am very respected for my job.
tobycoleman84: I'm not doubting this
tobycoleman84: I know i am new to mmobay
laywer_99: Hopefully You would like my agreement, concerning the fact that something happens
laywer_99: You can write a ticket to Blizz
laywer_99: And you will be refunded with the gold=> banning the account on wich the gold has landed
laywer_99: We do not want this, do we?
laywer_99: So that's why you won't have to do this
tobycoleman84: I can't do that
tobycoleman84: they would trace the gold to my account
laywer_99: But I am telling you, You better not forget about those 20k!
laywer_99: So let's see
tobycoleman84: what 20k?
laywer_99: 2.3*100= 230USD
tobycoleman84: I know
laywer_99: 80k, we send 230USD, 20k
tobycoleman84: can you please just gimme a few min
tobycoleman84: to work things out
tobycoleman84: I'm new
laywer_99: Ofcourse friend
tobycoleman84: I'm happy to trade
tobycoleman84: and will pay for the fees of mm
laywer_99: Very well
tobycoleman84: but just gimme a few min
tobycoleman84: thanks bud
laywer_99: Ohh
laywer_99: thats very good
laywer_99: if you want to pay
laywer_99: Ok friend
laywer_99: what have You decided?
tobycoleman84: just sorting out mm stuff now
laywer_99: I'll email you now
laywer_99: some SS with my reputation
laywer_99: on that forum
tobycoleman84: ok
laywer_99: Sent
laywer_99: check them and tell me if you still need a MM
laywer_99: I Mailed you from the email I use in my country
tobycoleman84: looking now
laywer_99: [email protected]
laywer_99: Are you still there, Toby?
tobycoleman84: yes
laywer_99: Ok good
laywer_99: So? shall we?
tobycoleman84: How long are you online for?
tobycoleman84: Can we wait until a MM is available?
laywer_99: You mean since when?
laywer_99: Ahh
laywer_99: Well i told you, if you pay it is ok
laywer_99: I am also glad
tobycoleman84: Yes
laywer_99: Because I don't risk to loose 20k
tobycoleman84: I will pay
tobycoleman84: How much are you buying by the way? you said around 100k?
laywer_99: 100k
tobycoleman84: oki
laywer_99: sharp
tobycoleman84: just wanted to clear that up
laywer_99: Well
laywer_99: Have you seen
laywer_99: My trade rating?
tobycoleman84: I can't understand the site
tobycoleman84: and the screenshots aren';t clear
laywer_99: downwards
laywer_99: it says
laywer_99: 13(100%) Trade Rating
tobycoleman84: on mmobay?
laywer_99: In left of the image
laywer_99: Not on mmobay
laywer_99: On that site
laywer_99: Man, let me tell you something
tobycoleman84: ah yes i see that!
laywer_99: Ok now.. i hope I made myself clear
laywer_99: tell you what
laywer_99: We trade step by step
laywer_99: you give me 30k, i pay you for it
laywer_99: 30k, i pay you for it
laywer_99: 30k, i pay you for it
tobycoleman84: Can you pay via moneybookers?
laywer_99: 10k, i pay you for it
laywer_99: Yes, Also by paypal
tobycoleman84: right ok
tobycoleman84: so
tobycoleman84: 30k
tobycoleman84: payment - moneybookers
laywer_99: And therefore.. i proofed you that im not a scammer..
tobycoleman84: etc...
tobycoleman84: yes?
laywer_99: Yes
tobycoleman84: one moment
tobycoleman84: how are we conducting the trade?
laywer_99: im preparing it now
tobycoleman84: am i depositing in ur guildbank?
laywer_99: Let me see
laywer_99: In the meanwhile
laywer_99: Provide me your MoneyBookers Adress
tobycoleman84: sec
tobycoleman84: [email protected]
laywer_99: Ok
laywer_99: Let me prepare it now
laywer_99: It may take a while..
tobycoleman84: oki
tobycoleman84: Am i depositing gold into your guildbank
tobycoleman84: I'll need to prepare then too
laywer_99: I dont know if you will deposit/trade
laywer_99: Let me check first, there are not responding
laywer_99: my chief is not.
tobycoleman84: okay
tobycoleman84: deposit would be safer and prefered
laywer_99: Yes, But 30k is not a big amount now
laywer_99: I'll do my best
tobycoleman84: oki doki
tobycoleman84: well i don't mind trading as long as items are traded for the gold... like scrap items
tobycoleman84: if you get me
laywer_99: Yes, I know what you mean
laywer_99: How long will you stay online?
tobycoleman84: How long do you need me to stay online?
laywer_99: Atm i cannot get the gold
tobycoleman84: how long do you reckon?
tobycoleman84: Like and eta for wait time?
laywer_99: I dont know
laywer_99: perhaps hours
tobycoleman84: as in what 5hours 2hours?
tobycoleman84: 2-3 hours is barable
laywer_99: oh is very well then
tobycoleman84: 2-3hours for sure yeh?
tobycoleman84: No longer?
tobycoleman84: A person needs their sleep
laywer_99: Yes friend
laywer_99: For sure.
tobycoleman84: Awesome
tobycoleman84: Do you buy on all eu servers btw?
laywer_99: Yes
laywer_99: If you would have had
laywer_99: In other realm
laywer_99: We would do it now..
laywer_99: because atm i told you.. no request on argent dawn H EURO
tobycoleman84: wait so i'm not selling to you on eu argent dawn horde?
tobycoleman84: but you said there is demand in 2-3hours?
tobycoleman84: ?
laywer_99: there might be
tobycoleman84: is there likely to be?
tobycoleman84: I really wanna trade and have nice stock
tobycoleman84: but just need to know when
laywer_99: well friend..
laywer_99: let it until tomorrow
laywer_99: it is ok?
laywer_99: what hour is it in your country?
tobycoleman84: 22:03
laywer_99: Well..
laywer_99: Tomorrow at 9:00 a.m
laywer_99: it is ok for you?
laywer_99: to do the trade?
tobycoleman84: is that my time yeh?
laywer_99: yes
laywer_99: your time
tobycoleman84: and the price won't change will it ?
tobycoleman84: and you reckon same demand?
laywer_99: Price remains the same
laywer_99: and still the same way of trading
laywer_99: 30k>payed
laywer_99: 30k>payed
tobycoleman84: yeh
laywer_99: 30k>payed
laywer_99: 10k>payed
tobycoleman84: awesome
tobycoleman84: If you could set it up so you invite my chars
tobycoleman84: and i deposit in ur guild
tobycoleman84: that would be mega safe for both of us
laywer_99: Yes.. I'll see what i could do
tobycoleman84: great stuff
laywer_99: Anyway no1 gets banned with the team i work for
tobycoleman84: great stuff
tobycoleman84: may i ask who you work for? i've never used other websites apart from like mmofly and pusada
tobycoleman84: and you lot pay great
tobycoleman84: it seems
laywer_99: FCG
tobycoleman84: cool
tobycoleman84: well
tobycoleman84: I leave my comp on overnight anyway
tobycoleman84: will be ready at 9:00 am sharp
laywer_99: ok friend
laywer_99: Talk to you tomorrow then
tobycoleman84: will do
laywer_99: I wish you goodnight
tobycoleman84: will leave messenger on overnight )
tobycoleman84:
tobycoleman84: *
laywer_99: and be carefull!
tobycoleman84: and you
tobycoleman84: will do
laywer_99: ok BBye
tobycoleman84: Heyya
laywer_99: hello
laywer_99: I'm here
tobycoleman84: Early I know ^^
laywer_99: yes, no problem
laywer_99: Let me check
laywer_99: I also
laywer_99: made feedback
laywer_99: on MMoBay
tobycoleman84: I see
laywer_99: Ok, we have demand
laywer_99: Let me prepare now
tobycoleman84: okay
tobycoleman84: how much in quantity and how much per k?
laywer_99: I can buy ~120K
laywer_99: Same price as yesterday
tobycoleman84: oki
laywer_99: what's your char name/
laywer_99: ?
laywer_99: And how much you want to trade now?
tobycoleman84: I've got 4 different blood elfs
tobycoleman84: I'll do the 120k
laywer_99: Tell me a character name
laywer_99: oke
tobycoleman84: How we doing this
tobycoleman84: guild deposits?
laywer_99: we will see
laywer_99: tell me ur char name
laywer_99: So I can get in contact
tobycoleman84: Clarissaa
tobycoleman84: And i've got others chars aswell
laywer_99: very well
tobycoleman84: since we're doing 30k
tobycoleman84: pay
tobycoleman84: 30k
tobycoleman84: pay
tobycoleman84: etc..
laywer_99: Move your gold
laywer_99: to clarissaa
tobycoleman84: oki
laywer_99: Stay logged
laywer_99: in max 1min i have a char name and a way of trading
tobycoleman84: oki
tobycoleman84: I will be tradign 100k
tobycoleman84: as i cannot withdraw anymore atm
laywer_99: 100k?
laywer_99: ok..
tobycoleman84: yeh can't set it to allow withdraws over that
laywer_99: Yes, i Know
laywer_99: So, how much would you prefer trading first?
tobycoleman84: guild bank deposit
tobycoleman84: don't really wanna face-to-face trade 100k
tobycoleman84: that's a bit like /ban for my account
laywer_99: Yes, I understood that
laywer_99: First trade will be of 100k?
laywer_99: trade /gdeposit?
tobycoleman84: can do
laywer_99: ok
tobycoleman84: althought if we're using a gb
tobycoleman84: actually nvm what i was gunna say
tobycoleman84: trade /gb deposit
laywer_99: Ok..
laywer_99: ok so
laywer_99: first trade 38600g with sdmo
tobycoleman84: moneybookers account - [email protected]
laywer_99: SDMO
laywer_99: is his name
laywer_99: invite in a party and trade
tobycoleman84: ahh okay
tobycoleman84: i have to make my way from silvermoon to him
laywer_99: it's no hurry
tobycoleman84: hacking accross won't take long
tobycoleman84: can u make sure he has the items to trade for gold
laywer_99: i said it's no horry, so don't worry
tobycoleman84: to make it look legit
laywer_99: Invite him in party
tobycoleman84: already have
laywer_99: and say him to put something in trade window
laywer_99: If not, don't worry, those gold aint no more a big amount of gold
laywer_99: Blizzard starts investating 400,500k+ trades
laywer_99: I was never banned, when I was selling
tobycoleman84: oki
tobycoleman84: 36800 yeh?
laywer_99: yes
laywer_99: tell me when you have traded
tobycoleman84: will do
laywer_99: trade 38600g with sdmo
laywer_99: 38600
laywer_99: not 36800
tobycoleman84: ahh okay
tobycoleman84: easy mistake hehe
tobycoleman84: Okay if i trade 10k 10k 10k 8600g ?
laywer_99: Hmm, it is more suspicious for blizz
tobycoleman84: ahh okay
laywer_99: More trades= unusual activity
laywer_99: my advice all at once
tobycoleman84: WIll do
tobycoleman84: trade complete
laywer_99: ok
tobycoleman84: U send payment to my moneybookers now yeh?
laywer_99: go to orgrimmar
laywer_99: he didn't recieve the gold
laywer_99: are u sure
laywer_99: you traded?
tobycoleman84: yes
tobycoleman84: he just dc
tobycoleman84: Great your gunna scam me aren'tyou
laywer_99: LOl
laywer_99: no..
laywer_99: my bad
laywer_99: he received
laywer_99: and he logged on other char
laywer_99: in orgrimmar
laywer_99: trade him the rest
tobycoleman84: okay
laywer_99: he pays me at the end
laywer_99: 61400g
tobycoleman84: no
tobycoleman84: you said payment after this
tobycoleman84: then another trade
laywer_99: Dokraer = 61400g
laywer_99: He pays after he receives full 100k
laywer_99: I don't have what to do
laywer_99: but stay cool mate
tobycoleman84: that wasn;t our agreement
laywer_99: I know, and I am very very sorry.. but hopefully you will understand me
laywer_99: You will not regret it
laywer_99: anyway he pays very good
tobycoleman84: You relise i will now fill out a form saying how you've scammed me on mmobay]
laywer_99: I can raise up the price for you a bit, because u understand me
laywer_99: Dokraer=61400
laywer_99: in orgrimmar
laywer_99: invitite and tell me when you traded
tobycoleman84: partial payment now
tobycoleman84: you agreed this
laywer_99: omggg man
laywer_99: relax!
laywer_99: HE PAYS after he gets full 100k
tobycoleman84: I've been scammed before
laywer_99: i dont have now from where to pay you
laywer_99: I AM NOT SCAMMER
laywer_99: !!!!!!
tobycoleman84: okay
laywer_99: i am legit
tobycoleman84: give me the char name
laywer_99: Dokraer=61400g, in orgrimmar
laywer_99: tell me when you are ready
tobycoleman84: ready
laywer_99: you traded?
tobycoleman84: no
tobycoleman84: he's not online
tobycoleman84: i mean ready to trade
tobycoleman84: this the guildbank dep[osit?
laywer_99: Let me check
laywer_99: Dokraer is not online?
tobycoleman84: no
laywer_99: he is on the way
tobycoleman84: okay
laywer_99: did he get online?
tobycoleman84: yeh
laywer_99: ok tell me when you are done
tobycoleman84: Oki have /w him telling him to invite me
tobycoleman84: waiting
laywer_99: invite him
laywer_99: You have to invite Dokraer=trade 61400g
tobycoleman84: he inviting me to guild?
laywer_99: nope trade
laywer_99: is your char level 1?
tobycoleman84: level 3
laywer_99: ok
laywer_99: trade and delete char
laywer_99: faster.. he has been waiting for 20mins
tobycoleman84: i thought i was depositing in guild
tobycoleman84: why has this changed?
laywer_99: no..i told you, customers find this amount small
laywer_99: and also blizz finds it that way too..
laywer_99: they use Gdeposit for 250k+
tobycoleman84: done
tobycoleman84: he's logged off
tobycoleman84: hello?
tobycoleman84: hello?
tobycoleman84: Payment to [email protected]
tobycoleman84: ?
BUZZ!!!
laywer_99: yes
laywer_99: let me get the payment and i transfer
tobycoleman84: what does that mean?
laywer_99: let me first get payed
laywer_99: than i transfer
tobycoleman84: ahh okay
tobycoleman84: how long will that take?
tobycoleman84: sorry i seem paranoid, just cautious guy
laywer_99: no problem friend
laywer_99: in 2mins tops you have your money
tobycoleman84: okay
tobycoleman84: you sent the payment?
tobycoleman84: ?
tobycoleman84: hello?
BUZZ!!!
tobycoleman84: I've not recieved payment yet
tobycoleman84: ?
tobycoleman84: hello??
BUZZ!!!
tobycoleman84: Why haven't you sent payment????
tobycoleman84: ?
tobycoleman84: ?
BUZZ!!!
BUZZ!!!
tobycoleman84: ANSWER ME
tobycoleman84: hello???
tobycoleman84: why
tobycoleman84: hasn't
tobycoleman84: my
tobycoleman84: payment
tobycoleman84: been
tobycoleman84: sent?
tobycoleman84: !
tobycoleman84: right
tobycoleman84: since you're not replying and i've recieved NO payment
tobycoleman84: i'm going to report you as a scammer
laywer_99: wait friend
laywer_99: im sorry
laywer_99: relax
laywer_99: i was smoking a cig
laywer_99: he hasnt payed me yet
laywer_99: wait
tobycoleman84: how long?
tobycoleman84: i'm really anxious here
tobycoleman84: How long do you think?
laywer_99: 10mins
laywer_99: tops
laywer_99: because he pays paypal
laywer_99: and i must somehow transfer
laywer_99: to moneybookers
tobycoleman84: i tell you what
tobycoleman84: just pay my paypal
tobycoleman84: [email protected]
tobycoleman84: that ok?
laywer_99: ah
laywer_99: ok
laywer_99: you saved me
tobycoleman84: 10mins top yeh?
tobycoleman84: ?
laywer_99: yes
laywer_99 has signed back in. (05/02/2011 09:37)

tobycoleman84: hello?
tobycoleman84: it's been 10min...
laywer_99: wait a bit, please!
tobycoleman84: okay
tobycoleman84: Can u give me a realisitc eta?
tobycoleman84: ?
laywer_99: eta??
tobycoleman84: estimated time allowance
tobycoleman84: so like an eta until i get paid...
laywer_99: 20mins
laywer_99: and this is it
laywer_99: !
laywer_99: go drink a cup of tee, and when ur back, ull have the money
tobycoleman84: okay
tobycoleman84: you will tell me on here when you've sent the payment yes?
laywer_99 is typing...
laywer_99: yes friend
tobycoleman84: 20min
tobycoleman84: i'm counting
tobycoleman84: You there?
tobycoleman84: hello?
BUZZ!!!
BUZZ!!!
tobycoleman84: Hello?
tobycoleman84: It's been like half an hour
tobycoleman84: Right ok
tobycoleman84: I'm going to sumbit a thread on mmobay about being scammed by you
tobycoleman84: it will be removed if i recieve payment of course
tobycoleman84: but until i do
tobycoleman84: Your not going to waste anymore of my time
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Other proof: Cannot think of any atm, if anything else if required please let me no asap

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Did you do any background searching before the trade?: Yes / (optional)
Have you traded with this person before?: / No (optional)
Approximately how many trades have you done on MMOBAY?: This is my first and now probably my last xD

---------- Post added 02-05-2011 at 10:50 AM ----------

EDIT: Says he's saying payment please hold off for 5min

---------- Post added 02-05-2011 at 10:53 AM ----------

EDIT : No payment recieved.
 
Banned - multiple accounts - fake feedback
LOL!! This guy asked me if I would like to buy gold. I said no! Then, he started to swear me. Pathetic.. and now he spends hours writing the conversation in a notepad and copy paste it here. I talked with him only 20seconds, until i blocked him, after he started calling names.

PATHETIC.
Get a life, friend!
 
I got scammed by him as well over 80 cents. I know its nothing but still something. hes a piece of trash and i have the chat logs but it wont let me post it cause its to big.
 
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