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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One really does have to admire someone's sacrifice towards a better tomorrow.
Best of luck with your venture Marcus
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Couldnt have said it better myself..
Best of luck with your venture Marcus
Couldnt have said it better myself..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Customz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jeesh its not like he died or something, the new MD forums will be up soon, I trust you all will be active members? </div></div>
That shouldn't even have to be a question!
That shouldn't even have to be a question!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: atraill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Customz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jeesh its not like he died or something, the new MD forums will be up soon, I trust you all will be active members? </div></div>
That shouldn't even have to be a question!</div></div>
There's actually quite a few people that will not return.
That shouldn't even have to be a question!</div></div>
There's actually quite a few people that will not return.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't really see how legitimizing this market is going to work. It really makes no sense to me.
The way I see it, the only market that maybe wouldn't violate ToS would be cd-key selling. But shattered-crystal already does that.
I'm not sure I would return at this point, I don't see a reason to abandon what MD originally served its purpose for just for the site name.
The way I see it, the only market that maybe wouldn't violate ToS would be cd-key selling. But shattered-crystal already does that.
I'm not sure I would return at this point, I don't see a reason to abandon what MD originally served its purpose for just for the site name.
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On the business end of things, I just don't see a reason for switching back into a legitimate market I guess. It's not going to make game companies look at you any more favorably than they currently do. Anyone that profits off their game other than them is not welcome in their eyes.
It just won't happen; you can't power level someone without physically logging into their account, you can't sell gold without exchanging currency, and you can't trade accounts without changing ownership.
Perhaps I'm just thinking about this the wrong way, but what the heck does 'legitimatizing' actually mean? What will be the point of the new MD? Shattered Crystal 2.0?
It just won't happen; you can't power level someone without physically logging into their account, you can't sell gold without exchanging currency, and you can't trade accounts without changing ownership.
Perhaps I'm just thinking about this the wrong way, but what the heck does 'legitimatizing' actually mean? What will be the point of the new MD? Shattered Crystal 2.0?
Actually the courts in China or somewhere ruled that virtual currency had real money value and allowed it, even though the ToS of the games said it was a violation. Im sure that with that ruling in mind its the first step in to making this legitimate.
However, if it gets to the point to where the companies are going to break and allow this you bet your [censored] they are going to want to be the ones to regulate it. Which puts people like Markeedragon where he was before. Doing it on his own terms illegally in the eyes of the MMO companies. I hope that that isnt the case but MMO companies are like the US government. If they can make money on it they are going to tax the hell out of it and if they cant make money on it?(ie. Pot) Then its Illegal!
However, if it gets to the point to where the companies are going to break and allow this you bet your [censored] they are going to want to be the ones to regulate it. Which puts people like Markeedragon where he was before. Doing it on his own terms illegally in the eyes of the MMO companies. I hope that that isnt the case but MMO companies are like the US government. If they can make money on it they are going to tax the hell out of it and if they cant make money on it?(ie. Pot) Then its Illegal!
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No gaming company is going to change their TOS/EULA just because Markeedragon decided to go legit. Sorry, just saying he isn't the be all/end all to any of those companies.
Ultima Online died a long time ago, it's time to move on.
Ultima Online died a long time ago, it's time to move on.
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ok ok,
Iam still kinda trying to understand a bit better, but heres what i know so far.
Markeedragon whats to make a new legit site. But you cant do anything thats legit when it comes down to like Trading//selling. Trading accounts is agaisnt blizz rules. Selling accounts or gold or cdkey is agaisnt blizzard rules because your making money off there game and iam prtty sure you can get sued for that if they wanted to go that far. So whats left? What can markee do? Maybe buy//sell//trade other games that there rules allow it? I mean did Markee really think this threw 100%? I think this is one of those things where like u have a good idea, I mean its so good in your head and at the time is just a super good idea and then When you do go threw with the idea....its just a [censored] idea....lol. Anyways Markee i hope u know what ur doing. Best of luck.
Iam still kinda trying to understand a bit better, but heres what i know so far.
Markeedragon whats to make a new legit site. But you cant do anything thats legit when it comes down to like Trading//selling. Trading accounts is agaisnt blizz rules. Selling accounts or gold or cdkey is agaisnt blizzard rules because your making money off there game and iam prtty sure you can get sued for that if they wanted to go that far. So whats left? What can markee do? Maybe buy//sell//trade other games that there rules allow it? I mean did Markee really think this threw 100%? I think this is one of those things where like u have a good idea, I mean its so good in your head and at the time is just a super good idea and then When you do go threw with the idea....its just a [censored] idea....lol. Anyways Markee i hope u know what ur doing. Best of luck.
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Just watched his newest video on YouTube and I have to say I'm still a bit set back by his decision. He put his heart and soul into this decision and these video clips, and for that I'm very thankful and I still love him to pieces (love to meet him someday), but it sounds like his plans for legitimizing the market are non-existent as of this point in time.
He's basically hoping to get game companies a commission for sales so it's allowed in their ToS and you won't get banned for doing it, but they're never going to do that. They personally might find it lucrative, but so much of their fan base foams at the mouth against RMT's that it would be detrimental to their playerbase and subscription base to even consider this. I mean, can you imagine the day MMOChampion published the news that "Blizzard now sells gold"? It would be a disaster zone!
I really hope he knows what he is doing, but after watching that clip I still don't know what the purpose of the new MD is. It sounds like a place to talk about how they can convince game companies to take a commission and change their ToS for the next 3-4 years.
Will I join? Sure, just to show my support for Marcus. But I highly doubt anything on the business end will prove to be worthwhile there. No MMO is going just drop their guard and say "oh hey they're not doing it anymore, they're cool." That's the last thing on their mind. They have thousands of other websites (many chinese) that they have to tackle and they have their fan base supporting them on it. Many people absolutely despise gold selling and other things like it, and for that reason, I highly doubt we will ever see WoW's ToS at the very least ever change.
Maybe your goal Marcus is to get F2P MMO's to switch over to allowing this, but is this really going to bring in as much business as the WoW market right now? No F2P game even comes CLOSE to the number of subs WoW has.
All in all, I respect your decision, I'm glad you didn't delete this community, I hope things work out and as I said I will join your site again, but I hope you can find a way to make people want to join it. Because as of right now, I don't see a reason people would stay when they still have MMOBay and other alternatives like it.
He's basically hoping to get game companies a commission for sales so it's allowed in their ToS and you won't get banned for doing it, but they're never going to do that. They personally might find it lucrative, but so much of their fan base foams at the mouth against RMT's that it would be detrimental to their playerbase and subscription base to even consider this. I mean, can you imagine the day MMOChampion published the news that "Blizzard now sells gold"? It would be a disaster zone!
I really hope he knows what he is doing, but after watching that clip I still don't know what the purpose of the new MD is. It sounds like a place to talk about how they can convince game companies to take a commission and change their ToS for the next 3-4 years.
Will I join? Sure, just to show my support for Marcus. But I highly doubt anything on the business end will prove to be worthwhile there. No MMO is going just drop their guard and say "oh hey they're not doing it anymore, they're cool." That's the last thing on their mind. They have thousands of other websites (many chinese) that they have to tackle and they have their fan base supporting them on it. Many people absolutely despise gold selling and other things like it, and for that reason, I highly doubt we will ever see WoW's ToS at the very least ever change.
Maybe your goal Marcus is to get F2P MMO's to switch over to allowing this, but is this really going to bring in as much business as the WoW market right now? No F2P game even comes CLOSE to the number of subs WoW has.
All in all, I respect your decision, I'm glad you didn't delete this community, I hope things work out and as I said I will join your site again, but I hope you can find a way to make people want to join it. Because as of right now, I don't see a reason people would stay when they still have MMOBay and other alternatives like it.
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by reading Whites reply, From what i understand markee wants to pretty much convince Blizz to make selling accounts OK and that he will give them a Percentage of the profit? My english isnt so good so if that is what whites saying then hes right about it never happening. Think about it. Say theres right now say 5 million people playing wow.(there might be more or less but for now les just say 5) Ok so theres 5 million people playing. Thats $15.00 a month each person. So 15x5000000=$25000000 a month blizz makes JUST of WoW. Then they got Name change 10 bucks Server change 25 bucks, Faction change like 35 bucks or something?? class change. So these [censored] r banking. Yea they got 2 pay there bills but at the end of the night with all the billz paid and the employees paid they still got Alot alot of money left. Ok so know that we got that part covered lets look at what will happen if Blizz does agree with markee.
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: krazyshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">by reading Whites reply, From what i understand markee wants to pretty much convince Blizz to make selling accounts OK and that he will give them a Percentage of the profit? My english isnt so good so if that is what whites saying then hes right about it never happening. Think about it. Say theres right now say 5 million people playing wow.(there might be more or less but for now les just say 5) Ok so theres 5 million people playing. Thats $15.00 a month each person. So 15x5000000=$25000000 a month blizz makes JUST of WoW. Then they got Name change 10 bucks Server change 25 bucks, Faction change like 35 bucks or something?? class change. So these [censored] r banking. Yea they got 2 pay there bills but at the end of the night with all the billz paid and the employees paid they still got Alot alot of money left. Ok so know that we got that part covered lets look at what will happen if Blizz does agree with markee.
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].</div></div>
There are 2 sides to that arguement though. Im to tired to argue atm though, just wanted to troll you.
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].</div></div>
There are 2 sides to that arguement though. Im to tired to argue atm though, just wanted to troll you.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arctus_tibal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: krazyshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">by reading Whites reply, From what i understand markee wants to pretty much convince Blizz to make selling accounts OK and that he will give them a Percentage of the profit? My english isnt so good so if that is what whites saying then hes right about it never happening. Think about it. Say theres right now say 5 million people playing wow.(there might be more or less but for now les just say 5) Ok so theres 5 million people playing. Thats $15.00 a month each person. So 15x5000000=$25000000 a month blizz makes JUST of WoW. Then they got Name change 10 bucks Server change 25 bucks, Faction change like 35 bucks or something?? class change. So these [censored] r banking. Yea they got 2 pay there bills but at the end of the night with all the billz paid and the employees paid they still got Alot alot of money left. Ok so know that we got that part covered lets look at what will happen if Blizz does agree with markee.
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].</div></div>
There are 2 sides to that arguement though. Im to tired to argue atm though, just wanted to troll you.</div></div>
Wow ?
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].</div></div>
There are 2 sides to that arguement though. Im to tired to argue atm though, just wanted to troll you.</div></div>
Wow ?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hamish123212</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arctus_tibal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: krazyshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">by reading Whites reply, From what i understand markee wants to pretty much convince Blizz to make selling accounts OK and that he will give them a Percentage of the profit? My english isnt so good so if that is what whites saying then hes right about it never happening. Think about it. Say theres right now say 5 million people playing wow.(there might be more or less but for now les just say 5) Ok so theres 5 million people playing. Thats $15.00 a month each person. So 15x5000000=$25000000 a month blizz makes JUST of WoW. Then they got Name change 10 bucks Server change 25 bucks, Faction change like 35 bucks or something?? class change. So these [censored] r banking. Yea they got 2 pay there bills but at the end of the night with all the billz paid and the employees paid they still got Alot alot of money left. Ok so know that we got that part covered lets look at what will happen if Blizz does agree with markee.
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].</div></div>
There are 2 sides to that arguement though. Im to tired to argue atm though, just wanted to troll you.</div></div>
Wow ?</div></div>
I see no problem?
If blizz agrees with markee and does do that, There are people in the WoW community that quit so fast. And i think alot of people would quit. Because the game would be nothing more then a nother bussiness. People would only powerlevel to sell there accounts to make money. So lets see here You got people that will quit right when they here this is goin on. Then u got people that will quit after the game is populated with all grinders just to sell there accounts. Then the sellers will quit after a wile when bussiness is slow and not alot of people are buying. And then the game will just pretty much die. And if me a 19 yr old High skool drop out can think of that, Imagine what those millionaires came up with. SO ofcaurse there never ganna do that [censored].</div></div>
There are 2 sides to that arguement though. Im to tired to argue atm though, just wanted to troll you.</div></div>
Wow ?</div></div>
I see no problem?
there also might be somethings on the back end that most of you dont not know about, or well ever get to see that might have helped in the chose that he had made as a comp.
Either way, i wish him and the new direction all the best!
Either way, i wish him and the new direction all the best!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brtev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we have to pay commission, then people will just get around that too. Always going to be people manipulating the system to save money. The scammers will come along with that change. </div></div>
^This
^This
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Customz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would rather have to pay a commision on my sale than risk the account get banned for TOS violation, just saying. </div></div>
^This
^This
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Well , the discussion reminds me of the previous MD story, i was happy that the MD conducted a discussion if we should ban scammers' account(really hot controversy) , and i thought MD would be pretty much better with his effort, but i can never understand why it flips 360 degree in a couple of days.. really
