Sakura still a Mod after all this? LOL

[Sanit1351]

Pretty funny how the kid abuses his power and then the seller of the service is required to pay part of his money because of Sakura's stupidity.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the thread that Mike closed should have had a screenshot in it. That screenshot shows Mafiaclan mentioning the different login IPs and Sakura acknowledges that. We would have had that information in the "original" thread had he not been so quick to lock the thread (and then Mike hide the thread shortly after)

fake edit: ^ just looked at the original thread and the screenshot is there too, where Mafiaclan advises him not to log in for a "day or so" and Sakura says "k"

I'm just at a loss for words really, and looking for some help - can anyone else help justify why Sakura is still a Moderator? Over the course of the past month or two we've seen 2 LoL "scammer threads" posted by him, neither of which ending in his favor (and both of them CLEARLY showing Sakura in the wrong) and the recent shenanigans with this most recent thread is hilarious.

Granted Mike shouldn't be taking the word of the "people" over his own judgement and the thoughts of the other moderators, but good **** you really need to clean house. the kid has been disliked since day 1 and has been causing problems left and right.

inb4 lock because im trolling or some garbage - afaik i'm allowed to discuss the outcomes of scam disputes all i want

inb4 im banned - i dont really care at this point, though it would be a slight inconvenience.

 

[Sakura]

inb4 power abuse

 

[CAVIV]

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but, from the way I see it, I've only been on here for like a couple hours, but, Sakura never blamed him for anything, he just said "I don't remember you ever saying that" Unless there's another thread, he did nothing wrong. Hah.

 

[czeroguy]

Banned - multiple accounts - scammer - czero83

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[Sakura]

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What THAT guy said!

 

[Zoefken]

I came to the same conclusion as the original poster. There are strange things happening. Some people seem to not get banned even tough they are at a wrong (obviously). Other people are able to make things happen even tough they are wrong obviously. But as long as the community is blinded by status (mod - super mod - admin), nothing wil change.

 

[Geek]

I came to the same conclusion as the original poster. There are strange things happening. Some people seem to not get banned even tough they are at a wrong (obviously). Other people are able to make things happen even tough they are wrong obviously. But as long as the community is blinded by status (mod - super mod - admin), nothing wil change.

That's simply not true. We do everything we can to ban people who deserve it, and retain those who also deserve it.

 

[EpicNPC]

Every dispute is open for everyone involved to state their case and provide proof. The keyword here is proof.

Some people seem to not get banned even tough they are at a wrong (obviously)

You have always had a problem with my decisions in disputes for as long as I have known you, so this statement does not come as a surprise.

I will admit sometimes I do not like the decisions I myself make, but I have to base it on the proof provided. This means if the victim does not provide the required proof a possible scammer might not be banned. This also means if someone cannot prove their innocence when all the evidence points to them they might be banned.

I believe those are very rare instances and that the vast majority of our decisions are correct, but no system is 100% perfect and neither is this. We do our best to keep things fair. I do not buy or sell anything and have no bias towards or against big sellers. My only concern is that everyone conducts fail trades and sales.

 

[Zoefken]

Understandable but there is something as common sense. And that is something i miss in alot of occasions when i read dispute threads. I do understand you can not ban on a word of someone. But sometimes it just is ridiculous. Big sellers seem to always win when a dispute is there even tough they are obviously not providing the necesary proof. I once made a thread with several proofs of this and a day later when i came and check it was gone.

Tell me how this sounds to you epic

 

[Sakura]

It's insane to me that this thread has garnered actual responses.

As for your argument about threads disapearing, I went back two years in your history and the only thing I saw was when you made two threads about the same subject at it got moved.

You and Sanit have made many, many comments about us abusing our position. If we really abused our power, or just ME specifically, why did I not just ban Sanit for sullying my good name with this thread?

I know exactly who I am as a person and a mod. I can be stubborn and I can be a bit of an ***. But I go out of my way to help people and despite the opinion of a select few, I don't hold grudges against members.


Edit: By the way, I just went back and read those threads you kept making...Are you serious? That was one of the most obvious cases of scamming ever and you continued to proclaim the evidence was not enough.

I mean, if you have the murder weapon, can prove who it belonged to, and have a picture of the person holding the weapon....what more do you need?

 

[HELLHULK Gaming]

Sakura as a MM has nothing to do with her Moderation job.

I want to make that clear, first.

You cant say because she made mistakes a MM that she shouldn't be a Mod. That just isn't fair.

As a MM myself, I don't support LOL at ALL. I have told numerous members I don't mess with it just because of reasons like this. It isn't worth it to me with the issues that come with it.

You should be happy that she even considers to MM LOL accounts. Personally, as a MM, I pick and choose what I want to MM.

Lastly, we do get paid, however, there is always risks in any trade. Only a liar would say otherwise.

Then don't forget all the impersonators we have trying to get over on other people by using our reputation in sales as well as our MM status.

Can you say Headache?

We do the best we can. We are human. I am part-machine though so my error margin is lower by default. With more upgrades I hope to take over.

Thank you.

Sakura you do a great job, and we appreciate what you do for the community.

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Who remembers the days at Egamingsupply.com when I was XaNaToS and I was voted the Judge with a select group of members voted to SWAT team.

We just made a post and voted whether they were a scammer or not. Took only 3 votes to be insta banned. Hince the BANHAMMER was created.

Be happy Mike only uses proof. All we used were guts lol (and sometimes proof!)

 

[Sakura]

Just so it is clear, as this has been brought up before in regards to people mocking me, I am not a female nor do I ever tell anyone I am.

Thank you for the kind words Hulk.

I also fully agree with his statement that Mike is about the most transparent in terms of why people get banned than just about any trading forum, online or offline goods, that I have seen. I mean, not many sites provide a banlist link so people can immediately search a name and see the reason they were banned.

At the end of the day I will continue to mod as I see it needs to be done until I feel I cannot be an effective moderator or until Mike asks me to step down.

Until then #Yolo

 

[Artemys]

Just so it is clear, as this has been brought up before in regards to people mocking me, I am not a female nor do I ever tell anyone I am.

Thank you for the kind words Hulk.

I also fully agree with his statement that Mike is about the most transparent in terms of why people get banned than just about any trading forum, online or offline goods, that I have seen. I mean, not many sites provide a banlist link so people can immediately search a name and see the reason they were banned.

At the end of the day I will continue to mod as I see it needs to be done until I feel I cannot be an effective moderator or until Mike asks me to step down.

Until then #Yolo

You'd be surprised how many people thought I was female also lol. . .everytime on Skype. It's our Avatars!


And yea Hellhulk, things were very very different in EGS. Ultimately that was one of the things that undid it. People think Sakura here is a bad mod? We all have our styles ^^ but that's laughable lol, some of the old EGS mods (Including the owner himself) make Sakura look like a sweetheart! So to those that think he's bad, he's not, I've seen the worst, he's actually very good!

 

[Austin Powers]

lol you were xanatos on egs ? hahaha oh god this is such a really small world.

so I now know 2 people from my time at egs

 

[Sakura]

Holy crap, mike AND Artemys posting in a thread?

It's like eating a unicorn burger with Bigfoot bacon on top.

 

[HELLHULK Gaming]

Man I knew Bigstar, Arty, Gummi, all you guys when I came here. Just had been awhile.

I was NEVER a mod at EGS to be clear. I came up with the idea for SWAT and how it should work. Monarch just didn't want to actually do any work.

I felt I was fair, but unlike Mike, if they were disrespectful or it was a obvious to a 5 year old they had scammed, I insta banned them. That was my job, I did help posts, and sold, and followed all the sections for potential scammers.

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BTW everyone thinks I am a man!!!

I am a girl!!


LOL j/k

 

[Artemys]

BTW everyone thinks I am a man!!!

I am a girl!!


LOL j/k

I see what you did there >_>;; haha

 

[Austin Powers]

no one knows what I am I could be male , a female or a dog no one knows

 

[Zoefken]

How many times are those big sellers comming up in scam threads with there lifetime waranty's they can't uphold. Giving people some kind of a **** deal in return and then be cleared of all charges? In real life you would go to court and suck the sucker dry and probably get more in return. And don't forget for all the 100's of accounts they probably sell almost 20% gets recalled at one point. Only 25% of those people probably claims on here.

It is even funny to read those skype logs. They don't even respond half of the time. This should be proof enough they try to scam people. I even recall a thread where the person wasn't replying on skype but had time to bump his posts on epicnpc.

But then they give some lousy half assed refund ( mostly not even the full price that was payed ) and they are of the hook.

Thats what you people are clearly ignoring!

 

[Geek]

How many times are those big sellers comming up in scam threads with there lifetime waranty's they can't uphold. Giving people some kind of a **** deal in return and then be cleared of all charges? In real life you would go to court and suck the sucker dry and probably get more in return. And don't forget for all the 100's of accounts they probably sell almost 20% gets recalled at one point. Only 25% of those people probably claims on here.

It is even funny to read those skype logs. They don't even respond half of the time. This should be proof enough they try to scam people. I even recall a thread where the person wasn't replying on skype but had time to bump his posts on epicnpc.

But then they give some lousy half assed refund ( mostly not even the full price that was payed ) and they are of the hook.

Thats what you people are clearly ignoring!

In real life you would just go back to Walmart and they would exchange or refund your item.
When it comes to larger name sellers, they do MANY more transaction than your average user, so getting disputed now and then is fairly common. While they may have their own TOS and do their best to stand behind the products or services they sell, you do have to keep in mind the RMT industry is livid with recalls, bans, and other actions that make giving a "lifetime guarantee" on something kinda silly.

The fact of the matter is, they get as much special treatment as their longevity allows, provided they are actively working to resolve each dispute as they are made public. Mike has stated before he is often willing to work with those who have been around a long time and do a lot of business here, so it's not out of the ordinary to see sellers making deals or sending partial refunds when a deal goes bad.

Although there are indeed scammers who prey on people specifically, I tend to look at all the larger sellers more as corporations and less as individual people. Their intent is profit, not bedside manner. Nobody is flagrantly allowed to scam or dupe people here, we do our best to take the actions needed in each specific situation.

 

[Zoefken]

You know you are in the essence telling me i am right.

Is it because you are called apple or microsoft you can screw your customers over? Or when a product does not work as intended you can only give back 75% of the money? What you are saying in essence is "hell yeah because they are trading alot".

Only proves my point. Tnx for that Geek

 

[Sakura]

I don't feel he proved your point at all. He proved that as you do more transactions more and wilder things happen.

Ultimately, in all businesses, rarely are problems black and white and e-commerce has only added to that complexity.

You refuse to see anything but black and white and that is a problem when it comes to having a discussion. As mods it is INCREDIBLY important that we do not become color blind.

 

[Geek]

I don't feel he proved your point at all. He proved that as you do more transactions more and wilder things happen.

Ultimately, in all businesses, rarely are problems black and white and e-commerce has only added to that complexity.

You refuse to see anything but black and white and that is a problem when it comes to having a discussion. As mods it is INCREDIBLY important that we do not become color blind.

This. Exactly this. I understand Zoe you may not have a ton of hands on experience running a large service but lemme tell ya, stuff goes south more often then you can anticipate and you often have to issue refunds and recoups to handle them.
This does not make you a scammer, it just proves you are involved in a lot of business.

 

[Logical Nonsense]

i like cheese, these are the kinds of cheese i like:
A-
Asadero
Abertam
Appenzeller
Asiago medium
Asiago old

-B-
Bra

-C-
Cheddar
Christalinna
Colby
Cotija Anejo
Cotija
Coon

-D-
Derby

-E-
Emmentaler
English Dairy

-G-
Gex (blue veined)
Gloucester
Gjetost
Gruyere

-H-
Herve

-L-
Lapland
Lorraine

-O-
Oaxaca

-P-
Parmesan
Pecorino

-Q-
Queso Anejo
Queso Chihuahua
Queso de Prensa

-R-
Romanello
Romano
Reggiano

-S-
Sap sago
Sassenage (blue veined)
Stilton (blue veined)
Swiss

-T-
Tignard (blue veined)

-V-
Vize

-W-
Wensleydale (blue veined)

 

[Sakura]

[video=youtube;ufJTqT5gMg0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufJTqT5gMg0[/video]

 

[HELLHULK Gaming]

How many times are those big sellers comming up in scam threads with there lifetime waranty's they can't uphold. Giving people some kind of a **** deal in return and then be cleared of all charges? In real life you would go to court and suck the sucker dry and probably get more in return. And don't forget for all the 100's of accounts they probably sell almost 20% gets recalled at one point. Only 25% of those people probably claims on here.

It is even funny to read those skype logs. They don't even respond half of the time. This should be proof enough they try to scam people. I even recall a thread where the person wasn't replying on skype but had time to bump his posts on epicnpc.

But then they give some lousy half assed refund ( mostly not even the full price that was payed ) and they are of the hook.

Thats what you people are clearly ignoring!

Which Pro sellers are you referring to? I have over 130+ feedback 100%. I make every customer happy, every time.

So I assume you are speaking in general, surely I am not being lumped into whatever your boxing up.


I try to provide great customer service from start to finish. The ONLY scam implications made against me have been the 40 people who impersonate me on Skype.

That's not within my control. I tell people how to add me to Skype, with a button in my sig. I tell them to ask me to post in the sale thread.

 

[Zoefken]

What you people are clearly not seeing is the importance of fairness. When you go to a shop tommorow and the item you purchased is not what you orderd or is faulty you get a full refund or another item of equal or higher value in return. Now when big cheeses are up in the scam threads they often only refund partialy or offer a worse account in return.

Now don't tell me black and white or i have no hands on experience because those are not argument points but opinions without valid intel.

But that is not fair, i don't care who you are. When you are bold enough to offer a lifetime guarantee or you promise a account wil never get recalled. And it does happen you take FULL responsibilty. And not come whining and only offer 75% and get away with it.

That is what i call partial and unfair dealings. And it happens more often then you think!

And the sig response. Curently sigs are not shown everytime, so that argument goes out of the door.

Also the comments about cheese are a bit lame in a normal discusion, it only shows how wonderfull you think about a valid point members of the forum are providing.

 

[Sakura]

Saying you refuse to see it in anything but black and white is a true statement.

As for you complaining about the cheese posts...relax please.

 

[Zoefken]

Sakura i believe it is you who need to relax and read what i am saying. I do understand SOMETIMES there can be exceptions. But WHY is it always with those who sell alot? The moment you can explain that and make sense. I will stop complaining.

I just believe mods should not act like kids making cheese posts when someone is trying to make a normal discusion, and is bringing on valid points. If that is wrong you and i are clearly not on the same page concerning moderators behavior. Those cheese post where totaly not necesary here. And it clearly shows your lack of interest and maturity in this instance.

 

[Sakura]

I've never been on the same page as you concerning how we should act.

I care very little how anyone thinks I should act. I would think that has been made abundantly clear.

 

[Geek]

Sakura i believe it is you who need to relax and read what i am saying. I do understand SOMETIMES there can be exceptions. But WHY is it always with those who sell alot? The moment you can explain that and make sense. I will stop complaining.

I just believe mods should not act like kids making cheese posts when someone is trying to make a normal discusion, and is bringing on valid points. If that is wrong you and i are clearly not on the same page concerning moderators behavior. Those cheese post where totaly not necesary here. And it clearly shows your lack of interest and maturity in this instance.

I laughed. We're seasoned internet nerds, we walk with a bit of a spring in our step and we tend to make jokes. We do however do our jobs when its needed, and we poke fun when it seems reasonable.

Lighten up

 

[Sakura]

[video=youtube;5Giuw4ZF2sM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Giuw4ZF2sM[/video]

 

[Geek]

[video=youtube;5Giuw4ZF2sM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Giuw4ZF2sM[/video]

[video=youtube;JribVbv6CV4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JribVbv6CV4[/video]

 

[Sakura]

Shake n bake

 

[Zoefken]

Then i have only one more thing to say to you, it might help you irl aswell. Grow up - the world is more then you! People do care how others act towards them and other people. And sertanly when in a position of relative power even when it is on a forum and the internet. It is not because i can't see your face you can act like a spoiled little brat.

When i see my kid act like you do he does not enter the internet for a copple of days. But then again that has been some time. He has more manners then you would ever have.

 

[Sakura]

Manners have nothing do with enjoying life.

Well, good thing I'm not your kid then.

 

[Logical Nonsense]

i have actually noticed the less manners i have the more i enjoy life

 

[Austin Powers]

Manners have nothing do with enjoying life.

Well, good thing I'm not your kid then.

BURNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!

[video=youtube;7r6HamSoz2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r6HamSoz2w[/video]

 

[AccountsP]

What you people are clearly not seeing is the importance of fairness. When you go to a shop tommorow and the item you purchased is not what you orderd or is faulty you get a full refund or another item of equal or higher value in return. Now when big cheeses are up in the scam threads they often only refund partialy or offer a worse account in return.

Now don't tell me black and white or i have no hands on experience because those are not argument points but opinions without valid intel.

But that is not fair, i don't care who you are. When you are bold enough to offer a lifetime guarantee or you promise a account wil never get recalled. And it does happen you take FULL responsibilty. And not come whining and only offer 75% and get away with it.

That is what i call partial and unfair dealings. And it happens more often then you think!

And the sig response. Curently sigs are not shown everytime, so that argument goes out of the door.

Also the comments about cheese are a bit lame in a normal discusion, it only shows how wonderfull you think about a valid point members of the forum are providing.

The fact of the matter is that they aren't getting leniency for who they are, it's that they have a much larger sample size. When comparing them to the average joe they will generally sell more in a week than they do in a year. Thus they may have 1 complaint for every 1000 orders versus the average persons 1 complain with only 5 complete transactions. The power sellers generally aren't going to risk messing up their livelihood to scam one person.

 

[Zoefken]

Oo lol didn't even notice someone was stil posting.

I believe you make a valid point but you also forget that those people might not scam but they offer things they can not stand for. They offer lifetimes and i seen it several times that those accounts get recalled and they say they can not offer anything in return. After some whining and bickering in the thread they buyer is almost always at a loss. In real life you would sue the company and win and probably get more in return because they invested time and effort in improving the account.

Now with these big sellers they mostly refund around 75%. That means if they scam 1/50 they earn a nice pocket change.?!

I don't know how much they sell or anything but if you keep track of there sites i think i am allready overestimating there sales.

Also don't forget if they retrieve accounts after a year or 2 some people might allready quit the game and don't even bother with making a scam thread. So for all scam threads you see there might be double those that don't make them. Or the once that bought from there site, they don't know they can come on here and complain.

And compensate those that come and cry for 75% of the original price and be done with it ... ?