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Despite his issues to blame me for anything. here is a little message from the "OO" if this guy even is. But he does have proof as he has a post up for this same dk MONTHS ago, and i just bought it from necros112 about 2 weeks ago. And now its recalled.

Information
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Date that scamming took place: ex; Aug 9, 2010
Method of Contact Used: AIM
Instant Messenger ID of scammer: Necros112
Your Instant Messenger ID: xxhckytwinxx
MMOBAY Account of Scammer: Necros11
Other information: Necros is denying giving my money back. and I have all his logs on my cell phone because he will not speak to me online. going to try and get the cell logs online from verizon.


Scam Information
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What was scammed?: Death Knight
Link of trade thread: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-...100-gs-dps-277-bracers-cheap.html#post2232668
Approximate value of scammed property: $200.00 USD Plus the 95 I just spent yesterday.

Was a middleman used?:
If yes, who?:
Describe how you were scammed: He had a lot of rep. He said it was recall guarenteed. It got recalled by this other guy claiming he's the OO. and He definitely had it long before Necros112. Necros112 also said the owner is VERIFIED and this guy def is NOT. Necros112 will not refund the 200.00$ .
Other details / notes:

Proof
Proof You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
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Chat Logs:
xXHckyTwinXx 9:35 am
(9:35:26 AM): </SPAN> so where did you get the dk from bud?

(9:36:02 AM): </SPAN> offly Odd that the exact number of gold i left him with is what you posted
lotrofan1989 9:36 am
(9:36:50 AM): </SPAN> Im sure its the same account, but I owned it first and I traded it for a paladin, then that guy recalled the second I got him KS on his paladin, he said the dk got scammed, so I waited to recall it back. I am OO of the account man. Talk to the guy you traded for a stolen account.
lotrofan1989 9:37 am
(9:37:09 AM): </SPAN> I am the OO, I have photo ID, cd-keys, no one else has those
xXHckyTwinXx 9:37 am
(9:37:11 AM): </SPAN> who did you trade it to?
lotrofan1989 9:37 am
(9:37:13 AM): </SPAN> so he wont be able to recall it
lotrofan1989 9:37 am
(9:37:28 AM): </SPAN> I can't remember that was like a month ago, i deleted all my contacts on here.
xXHckyTwinXx 9:37 am
(9:37:43 AM): </SPAN> yeh thats bs
lotrofan1989 9:37 am
(9:37:48 AM): </SPAN> No its not
xXHckyTwinXx 9:37 am
(9:37:53 AM): </SPAN> whats your name?
lotrofan1989 9:38 am
(9:38:46 AM): </SPAN> Look at my posts from like a month and a half ago, you will see that I tried trading it before you ever even knew it existed.
xXHckyTwinXx 9:39 am
(9:39:00 AM): </SPAN> going to look now.
lotrofan1989 9:39 am
(9:39:15 AM): </SPAN> Yeah, I tried trading it when it only had 3.5k gold way back
(9:39:19 AM): </SPAN> You can look all you want.
xXHckyTwinXx 9:39 am
(9:39:36 AM): </SPAN> oh i am. becaues either you or him is getting banned
lotrofan1989 9:39 am
(9:39:45 AM): </SPAN> It would be him.
xXHckyTwinXx 9:40 am
(9:40:22 AM): </SPAN> whats ur DK's name
lotrofan1989 9:40 am
(9:40:25 AM): </SPAN> How would I know full info including cd-keys and all to get it back if I didnt have it before this so called "OO"....
xXHckyTwinXx 9:40 am
(9:40:35 AM): </SPAN> i wanna make sure its the one I JUST SPENT 100 BUCKS on
lotrofan1989 9:40 am
(9:40:35 AM): </SPAN> It was **** before
xXHckyTwinXx 9:40 am
(9:40:42 AM): </SPAN> yeh now is ******
(9:40:48 AM): </SPAN> you recalling just waisted me 100 bucks
lotrofan1989 9:40 am
(9:40:49 AM): </SPAN> yeah with a accent ont he a
xXHckyTwinXx 9:40 am
(9:40:52 AM): </SPAN> and the 200 i bought from him
(9:41:10 AM): </SPAN> awesome.
(9:41:26 AM): </SPAN> dno not see'ing your post
lotrofan1989 9:41 am
(9:41:39 AM): </SPAN> look at my account and go to all threads started by me
(9:41:41 AM): </SPAN> you'll see it
xXHckyTwinXx 9:42 am
(9:42:27 AM): </SPAN> i i see it
(9:42:36 AM): </SPAN> fu**** *** told me you were TMV
lotrofan1989 9:42 am
(9:42:47 AM): </SPAN> that I was? No I'm not.
xXHckyTwinXx 9:42 am
(9:42:49 AM): </SPAN> and that you were recall guarenteed
lotrofan1989 9:42 am
(9:42:58 AM): </SPAN> I dont even know who you got it off of
xXHckyTwinXx 9:43 am
(9:43:08 AM): </SPAN> necros112
(9:43:14 AM): </SPAN> like a 35+ rep dude.
lotrofan1989 9:43 am
(9:43:37 AM): </SPAN> Never even heard of him...
xXHckyTwinXx 9:44 am
(9:44:11 AM): </SPAN> I'm ss'ing this screen
(9:44:20 AM): </SPAN> posting in scammers section for necros. for selling faulty accounts
lotrofan1989 9:44 am
(9:44:37 AM): </SPAN> did he even give you cd keys or id scan?
xXHckyTwinXx 9:45 am
(9:45:19 AM): </SPAN> no
lotrofan1989 9:45 am
(9:45:39 AM): </SPAN> why would you ever buy an account without both of those?
xXHckyTwinXx 9:46 am
(9:46:26 AM): </SPAN> because someone with that rep figured it was fine till i xfer'd him off
(9:46:29 AM): </SPAN> and put an auth on
lotrofan1989 9:47 am
(9:47:15 AM): </SPAN> all i can say is talk to whoever you got it from, but clearly this is my account, and I put an auth already on it and I'm faxing in info today to have the SQ/A changed.
xXHckyTwinXx 9:47 am
(9:47:45 AM): </SPAN> just pretty gay that i spent 25 bucks on xfer and another 70 on gold for you to recall same day
(9:48:01 AM): </SPAN> that idiot better give me my money back















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Other proof:

[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=4]Additional Information[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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Did you do any background searching before the trade?: Yes
Have you traded with this person before?: No
Approximately how many trades have you done on MMOBAY?: Maybe 2, but a few on the old site
 
Here is the original Chat Log from purchasing off Necros11

xXHckyTwinXx8:36 amxXHckyTwinXx (8:36:27 AM): hey bud hit me up. i'll buy your dk














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Necros112
is available
10:33 am














Necros11210:33 amNecros112 (10:33:50 AM): sup














xXHckyTwinXx10:34 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:34:40 AM): hey bud still got the dk?














Necros11210:34 amNecros112 (10:34:51 AM): yessir


Necros112 (10:34:55 AM): mind dropping me a post?




Necros112 (10:35:02 AM): http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-accounts-auctions-buy-sell/392852-wts-80-orc-dk-6100-gs-dps-277-bracers-cheap.html
















xXHckyTwinXx10:35 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:35:12 AM): sure thing. may i ask what info comes with it ? any cd keys or id?



xXHckyTwinXx (10:35:21 AM): give me 2 secs. was playing BF@



xXHckyTwinXx (10:35:23 AM): BF2**














Necros11210:35 amNecros112 (10:35:29 AM): nope, but all info is confirmed and 100% guarantee














xXHckyTwinXx10:37 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:37:58 AM): i never put a rep page up for myself. but i'm willing to go Wu and if you'd require it i can go sign up for TMV . I was buying Tapout928's dk on sat but unfort my lady's father passed away so i just got back online today














Necros11210:38 amNecros112 (10:38:15 AM): all good


Necros112 (10:38:28 AM): I'd just ask for a phonecall, and I prefer paypal cuz I dont live near a WU:P
















xXHckyTwinXx10:38 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:38:59 AM): thats not a prob i do have a paypal aswell. And sure phonecall is fine. i can use my land line or cell whichever you would prefer to














Necros11210:39 amNecros112 (10:39:15 AM): I would just ask you to gift via paypal and add a note saying "I, (your name), understand I am purchasing the access to this World of Warcraft account and that it is still owned and subject to Blizzards rules."


Necros112 (10:39:41 AM): and whichever you wanna use dude




Necros112 (10:39:46 AM): ***-***-**** gimme a shout:P
















xXHckyTwinXx10:39 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:39:52 AM): thats fine m8. would you mind posting an armory?














Necros11210:39 amNecros112 (10:39:57 AM): course














Necros11210:40 amNecros112 (10:40:11 AM): *********************














xXHckyTwinXx10:40 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:40:11 AM): dont really need to based on your post was pretty detailed but just wanna make sure



xXHckyTwinXx (10:41:27 AM): k great looks good. i'll call ya now



xXHckyTwinXx (10:41:30 AM): my name is Greg














Necros11210:41 amNecros112 (10:41:34 AM): cool














xXHckyTwinXx10:41 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:41:51 AM): actually. lemme grab my CC quick upstairs. I always take it off my paypal after i use it just because i've had my paypal hacked through before














Necros11210:41 amNecros112 (10:41:58 AM): good idea:P














xXHckyTwinXx10:43 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:43:22 AM): k back














Necros11210:45 amNecros112 (10:45:23 AM): *********














Necros11210:50 amNecros112 (10:50:14 AM): **********@gmail.com


Necros112 (10:50:17 AM): pw testing12




Necros112 (10:50:43 AM): SQA= ******




Necros112 (10:50:52 AM): Name = ******
















xXHckyTwinXx10:53 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:53:27 AM): been a pleasure buddy. thanks again














Necros11210:53 amNecros112 (10:53:34 AM): you too brother, have fun:)


Necros112 (10:53:46 AM): Not too well known on that server either so you should be able to pick any guild etc
















xXHckyTwinXx10:54 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:54:04 AM): awesome. sounds good



xXHckyTwinXx (10:54:46 AM): odd it wont let me reply on your rep page














Necros11210:54 amNecros112 (10:54:51 AM): ah ****


Necros112 (10:54:53 AM): they broke them




Necros112 (10:54:57 AM): all good dude, no worries




Necros112 (10:55:03 AM): They turned them off for some stupid reason lol
















xXHckyTwinXx10:55 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:55:12 AM): i'll just post it under your thread for the dk














Necros11210:55 amNecros112 (10:55:19 AM): cool man, ty:)














xXHckyTwinXx10:55 amxXHckyTwinXx (10:55:25 AM): least i could do














Necros11210:55 amNecros112 (10:55:32 AM): :-)
 
Banned - admitted scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/444583-account-recalled-necros112-failing-return-my-account-3.html
We agreed to terms upon purchase which were -


NEVER RE POST FOR TRADE OR SALE, OR YOU VOID THE TERMS!

You also PURCHASED gold, likely from a non-reputable site, on the day it was "stolen".

You are **** out of luck, you made some very stupid choices. Let everyone who has dealt with me and not done retarded **** tell you if anything has ever gone wrong with 1 of my accounts.
 
Banned - admitted scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/444583-account-recalled-necros112-failing-return-my-account-3.html
Also, wtf? I won't speak to you online? I texted you the entire night trying to resolve the issue and had informed you I was at my JOB. I messaged you earlier in the day and when I returned home. Cut the bull****.
 
you are an idiot. you CLEARLY stated that you got the account from the OO and this guy said he is. and he has NO clue who you are. You sir CLEARLY lied about YOUR terms of purchase. Yes i KNOW you texted me at your job. You lied to me. I proved it...
 
does not matter if i posted it up trade. I did not trade it. whether you beleive that or not. If you look up Lotrofan1989 you CLEARLY see it up for trade by HIM LONNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG before you put it up for sale. So. explain that sir. Your ****. Your account was ****. Get over yourself and your stupid trade terms. Your terms are VOIDED.
 
If you told him it would be void and you both agreed to it, post a SS of that aim convo, also who did you get the DK from? cause this other guy had it back at the start of July and now has it again lol...
 
OH also. Your also an idiot Necro11 because you clearly said NOTHING about voiding terms in your Post that i bought from, I didn't look at the thread i thought maybe it was snuck in there. But i looked now and its def not. Or in the AIM convo. Thanks buddy That SS of the convo me and necro112 had is the ONLY time we ever spoke. Besides the phone when the account he sold me was recalled and he said too bad.
 
Necros, if you did have an agreement you MUST either link the URL of the thread or post a screenshot of the aim convo's
 
Convo we JUST had. He will not answer how Lotro had the account before him when he says that Lotro is not OO. He will also NOT give out the OO's screename even so i can talk to him. He is cowering at teh questions i give him. And just continues his "i'm a **** up, you bought gold". I may have bought gold. But how does some kid have it. Who OBVIOUSLY http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-...jc-shadows-edge-dbw-3-5kgold.html#post2211446
had it before you. So. OO is lying to you apparently he has givin it away or traded it before. You lied. No matter what gold i bought. This guy lotro NOW has the account again. You or your "OO" needs to refund my 200$.



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My last case and point to moderators. If he knows the OO as necros says he does. Why doesn't the OO come on here and tell us why Lotrofan1989 had the account in May of this year and up for trade. And why did he recall it now. He says he's OO. necro wont tell me who OO is. My case in point. The account was obviously faulty. Buying gold nor doing anything can make up for those exact facts.
 
so what i gather is we have two different stories. Correct me if im wrong

mmatuff is debating that the account went like this.

lotrofan1989 ==> Necros11 ==> mmatuff ?

where as necros is saying.

**Unknown User/OO**==> Necros11 ==> mmatuff.

Mmatuff, if you could link the URL that proves lotrofan1989 had possession of the account that would be great.

And necro's, i would still like to see your SS of the agreement that voids the terms if the account is reposted. On a side note, is there a specific reason why you will not release the OO's aim?
 
Convo we JUST had. He will not answer how Lotro had the account before him when he says that Lotro is not OO. He will also NOT give out the OO's screename even so i can talk to him. He is cowering at teh questions i give him. And just continues his "i'm a **** up, you bought gold". I may have bought gold. But how does some kid have it. Who OBVIOUSLY http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-...jc-shadows-edge-dbw-3-5kgold.html#post2211446

That is his post from May. That lotro did have it.
 
And it is the same DK because as you can read in the LOGS that i posted from me and lotro talking. He read back the brand new name to me that i named the char Yesterday.
 
This is my account, I don't know who necro is. Proper thing to do here is refund the money and take the loss necro since you clearly got MY account through unlegit processes.

That is all.
 
Banned - admitted scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/444583-account-recalled-necros112-failing-return-my-account-3.html
If I was lied to about the OO then I was lied to, you still broke terms. If you hadnt A. reposted it or B. bought gold then I would be refunding you today. Also, this guy who is supposedly the OO stole the account, is he banned yet?
 
Banned - admitted scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/444583-account-recalled-necros112-failing-return-my-account-3.html
http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-...-80-orc-dk-6100-gs-dps-277-bracers-cheap.html read the 3rd post in the thread.

You can even see he posted at the bottom saying he had purchased. Thanks anyways, you do STUPID **** that breaks terms and try and get ME banned? I've been here for years and done 30-40 legit deals/
 
Banned - admitted scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/444583-account-recalled-necros112-failing-return-my-account-3.html
Wanna read my previous post over Mordred before you throw in your 2 cents? We're all tired of your ****, you ARE NOT AN ADMIN! Just leave. Aren't you like 40 anyway? **** dude, go outside.
 
You sold an account that was owned by some guy you will not say. Which was recalled by someone who last had it in July before you did. And yet you are not responsible? again. This has nothing to do with your terms. thank you
 
K so you didnt add it in the sell Thread, but instead you added it in a day later post? so any sell thread i have i can add any stipulation to the thread by posting on it and they have to abide ? lol

Also find it odd you wont disclose who you got it from and have done nothing to help him, i tell ppl the same thing if they go to sell it or trade it on AIM, or in my thread now and again but if they get boned i still try and help, check the thread in the scammer section by torm...
 
Banned - admitted scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/444583-account-recalled-necros112-failing-return-my-account-3.html
I posted the agreement before I had any offers, and I realized I had forgotten to add it. This guy didn't mention that for 6 hours yesterday while I was at work I texted him trying to help him, all he did was get belligerent and be a complete douchebag for any help I tried to offer.


We had an agreement, he breached it, had he not breached it he would receive a full refund.
 
you said you would contact the OO. you wont even give me his name. You did NOTHING to help what so ever. other than tell me i ****** up and its my tough loss. You breached your own integrity.
 
I posted the agreement before I had any offers, and I realized I had forgotten to add it. This guy didn't mention that for 6 hours yesterday while I was at work I texted him trying to help him, all he did was get belligerent and be a complete douchebag for any help I tried to offer.


We had an agreement, he breached it, had he not breached it he would receive a full refund.

K so if you had an agreement post a SS of it from AIM, cause honestly posting a couple times down from the original thread isnt an agreement and the mods will say the same.

Selling a account and it comes up taken back so quickly ontop of you unable to provide this thread with who you got it from and think your not liable is absurd.
 
There should be no flaming in this thread. Keep the language clean or you will be receiving a vacation from the site.

Necros has informed he he received the account from user d4nkgr33nkay who is banned now. d4nkgr33nkay claimed he was the OO to Necros. Im talking to lotro to see if he traded the account to d4nkgr33nkay.
 
not trying to act a fool. In his sale post he said 100% guarenteed. which we all know now is a lie. Which voids anything he said. I appreciate the help i've been getting. You can understand that when you dump 200$ and he refuses to help or refund. Claming an OO but i have seen no proof of any such thing other than lotro did in fact have it before him and now he has it again. And he clearly stated in the AIM log that HE recalled it.

I bought it thinking it was safe as he said. Whether he can talk to OO or not. The account was compromised and clearly recalled. Which by all means he should refund. Just made sense to me. When he said no i got angry.
 
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I am on my way to work now. Necros has my personal cell number. I will not be able to assist in anything until the AM. Necros you may have been caught in the middle. If you were i'm sorry. But i've proved everything. And the terms you stated in a few posts below do not reflect what happened. I would just like my money back thats all.
 
I have just talked to the user that Necros claimed said he was the OO of. d4nkgr33nkay. D4nk has informed me that jpag712 is the OO of the DK account.
 
Alright, I've looked through this entire thread and I've come to a final decision. Necrosis will not be forced to issue a refund, if he chooses to because he did indeed lie about how he acquired the account, then it's up to him. Yes, he may not be the best business person around but the fact of the matter is, mmatuff breached the agreement / the terms. Look at the original thread:

http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-...100-gs-dps-277-bracers-cheap.html#post2232668

On that thread, a few posts down, he stated that, "Just for the record, this account will come with a 100% refund policy assuming any recovery(VOID if you repost for sale/trade, this is only valid if you remain the only person with this information)."

Mmatuff breached the agreement when he created not one, but two WTT threads, which can be found here:

http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-accounts-trading/393627-wtt-6092-[h]-dk.html

and here:

http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-accounts-trading/393855-repost*-wtt-[h]-6112-dps-dk.html

For future reference, Necrosis, I'd like you to clearly state your agreement when selling an account, as well as explaining the terms in more detail. There exists a gray area in your agreement, "valid if you remain the only person with this information." What information are we talking about here? Login and password, or the secret answer and last name? Next time something similar to this happens and any type of gray area exists or you fail to explain your agreements via AIM and fail to have proof of this, you'll be forced to refund the money.

On another note, Mordred, we've told you numerous times to stop getting involved with scammer threads that you're not directly a part of. Next time you involve yourself you'll be receiving a three day ban.
 
Banned - admitted scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/444583-account-recalled-necros112-failing-return-my-account-3.html
Thanks Sean, cheers all. Will take the advice to have given me into reference for the future.
 
I expect you to still reveal any information to help mmatuff retrieve the account. While you won't be held directly responsible, it would be nice if you would devote some time to give him guidance on who to contact.

Thanks.

Thread locked. PM if this needs to be re-opened.
 
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