Nomotiv MIA and not giving me CD key I paid for

Rmysidia · Dec 23, 2012

Information
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Dispute Date: e.g. Beginning of December, 2012
Method of Contact Used: MSN, AIM, ICQ, etc. SKYPE
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: Kemichmck
EpicNPC username of the person you're accusing: Nomotiv
Your Instant Messenger ID: your nickname on IM client Bigfangs1

Other information:

DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about? account, money, service? Used Diablo 3 CD key
Link of transaction thread:http://www.epicnpc.com/diablo-3-d3-trade-buy-sell/476523-wts-diablo-iii-key-out-box.html
Approximate value of property: $32.94 USD. Since I had to refund my buyer on ebay $25 Euros, euro to dollars = $32.94

Was a middleman used? no
If yes, who?
Provide information about the dispute and what lead to it: I have purchased several keys from Nomotiv with no problems. 1 Key was claimed to be used by my ebay buyer's page is http://feedback.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=high-end!!!&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2776
Other details / notes:
I have tried to contact nomotiv for about a month almost now in regards to this. He keeps saying "don't worry, I will get you another key". Now he has been MIA on skype for over a week. I see he logs in EPICNPC, but he doesn't type in the chat box or anything.
Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs: Use

tags, refer to http://www.epicnpc.com/active-disput...act-skype.html if that is your method of contact.
Pictures/Screenshots: Link to pictures or use code.
Other proof:
[IMG]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/roacherz/epicnpc/nomotiv.jpg

Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the transaction? I've worked with him before just find.
Have you traded with this person before? Yes , I have waited patiently for almost a month now
Approximately how many transactions have you done on EpicNPC? 40+

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Bunny · Dec 23, 2012

Nomotiv has been notified.

RP_Jekyll · Dec 24, 2012

Nomotive is trying to regain access to his epic account, I guess the password was reset and he is attempting to recover the password.

He ask me to post this.

Nomotiv : "Any chance you could post a note on that thread for me? I know it' snot allowed, but you can just post it as a message from me? Just a small one indicating I am trying to regain access to my EpicNPC account to dispute the scam report?"

Rmysidia · Dec 24, 2012

The only way I could get his attention was to open a dispute on paypal for a transaction I did with him purchasing 4-5 keys.
He finally came online after I did that. I would like the $25 euros back from which I had to refund my ebay buyer.

He has now disputed my claim saying they were all intangible goods. I am going to have to let the claim run its course then give him back the $50/ $80.

Austin Powers · Dec 24, 2012

thankyou for the update jekyll and rmy hopefully he can get access to his account to post on here but otherwise will just have to wait to see what mike says

Epic 1NPC · Dec 24, 2012

Rmysidia buys multiple D3 keys from Nomotiv
Rmysidia resells keys on Ebay
1 buyer from ebay claims key was used ($25)
Rmysidia disputing payment (total payment for all keys?)
Rmysidia asking for $25 refund

Rmysidia calls Blizzard and finds out that the key was used

Waiting for nomotiv to reply. I see he logged in 2 days ago, check your spam folder for the password reset email. contact me at forumsupport -=[at]=- armorybids (dot) com if you need help.

Rmysidia · Dec 24, 2012

Edit*

I called paypal and put in a request for a partial refund of $25 USD
It is in the paypal dispute comments. I paid $28-30 per key so I think $25 is fair.

I am more than happy to cancel the claim if he refunds the $30 or half of it. Which I discussed I would go 50/50 with him but he told me he would sort it out and I wouldn't be "short changed" . I just felt like I gave him ample time to supply another key, which he said he would a few wednesdays ago and he never did.

And I tried contacting him every few days etc.
I don't know if Nomotiv got his keys mixed up on accident, or the ebay buyer was pulling a fast one.

All I know is I called Blizzard and the key was claimed and Nomotiv promised to help me out with it.

[12/15/2012 4:43:54 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: Did you get taht other key yet?
[12/15/2012 10:35:05 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Negative. Blizzard upp'd it to a manager and said I should expect an email
[12/21/2012 9:34:37 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: No clue what happend between us
[12/21/2012 9:34:39 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: but so be it
[12/23/2012 11:33:42 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): That is quite disrespectful of you to withold funds on PayPal.
[12/23/2012 11:33:51 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Considering every key I gave you worked, except one, which was probably a scammer.
[12/23/2012 11:34:54 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Wow and you are taking back money for all of the keys?
[12/23/2012 11:35:02 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): You know I am going to open a scam report on EpicNPC right?
[12/23/2012 11:35:42 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: I said in the note on paypal i received all my items except one
[12/23/2012 11:35:50 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: but it deducted the whole thing and you have been offline for over a week
[12/23/2012 11:35:52 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): First off, you bought what... 6 keys for me?
[12/23/2012 11:36:08 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: omg jut talk tomorrow good night i'm tired
[12/23/2012 11:36:10 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): 1 went bad and you don't think it is possible the buyer went bad?
[12/23/2012 11:36:24 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Okay well... you are getting a scam report on EpicNPC.
[12/23/2012 11:36:26 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): I just want you to know that.
[12/23/2012 11:36:27 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: You said you would cover me
[12/23/2012 11:36:31 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: i already opened one on you
[12/23/2012 11:36:33 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: good luck withj that
[12/23/2012 11:36:34 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Yeah I have been very busy.
[12/23/2012 11:36:35 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): I have a life.
[12/23/2012 11:36:41 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Okay good, so I am going to open our chat history.
[12/23/2012 11:36:55 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): And find the earlier chats where you were completely satisfied.
[12/23/2012 11:36:59 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Oh and the positive feedback.
[12/23/2012 11:37:04 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): The person who bought they key from you scammed you.
[12/23/2012 11:37:18 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): I was going to replace it out of kindness, but I didn't promise any certain date. I told you I was trying.
[12/23/2012 11:37:34 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Once the product leaves my hands into yours... it is not my responsibility.
[12/23/2012 11:37:42 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): I sold you several working keys and you know it, so you know I am not a scammer.
[12/23/2012 11:38:24 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): You then refund back an entire paypal transaction for multiple keys. You know that EpicNPC is going to pin you as a scammer for that right?
[12/23/2012 11:44:38 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): OKay well I am locked out of my EpicNPC account right now for some reason, I cannot get into it and I have no idea why. So that is why you aren't seeing a response on this scam thread.
[12/23/2012 11:46:03 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): You jumped the gun on this and I made that mistake previously with another person. I will make sure that you don't win this PayPal dispute claim because one.. intangible good sales are not protected so you aren't going to be able to get your money back through them. As for you getting scammed by someone and then blaming it back to me.. Very rude.
[12:23:09 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): As a fair heads up. I sent PayPal the transcript dicussing our transaction.
[12:24:08 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): I had a fellow EpicNPC user post on the thread to let them know that I am currently locked out of my EpicNPC account and trying to get back in. You know I was actually very close to getting a key this week to give to you in spirit of the holidays but this right here was a true betrayal and really is inconveniencing me.
[8:29:01 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: I am not scamming you the full amount
[8:29:07 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: I said that I want a partial refund to paypal
[8:29:28 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: You said continiously that you would help me with a new key
[8:30:46 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: I even offered to go 50/50 with you and you said " no that's ok we'll get this sorted out"
[8:35:53 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: And neither of us know for sure 100% if that CD key was used or if you made a mistake or not too.
[8:36:07 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: I've purchased what like 6-8 keys from you all were good? sometimes a mistake happens.

nomotiv · Dec 25, 2012

Alright. Quick shout outs to RP_Jekyll and Mike Z for helping me out by posting on here and getting my account recovered. The 61 day password reset seemed to be bad timing.

I've done a lot of business on this website since October 2012, but have been a member since September 2011. I've sold A LOT of keys. 22 feedback does not sum up the amount of keys I've sold, multiples in one transaction, sometimes forgetting to do feedback, etc.

I have not had any claims like this against me, I've never sold a key that didn't work that wasn't fresh out of a box. I've worked with many reputable members of this community and have even given keys on consignment or in promise of future payment.

I've sold somewhere around 6-8 keys to Rmysidia aka Rochelle Bigfangs. Every single key she has sold has worked except she finally found a buyer who said "This isn't working." I've always supplied PICTURES of the keys as well as text typed versions via chat if requested. The pictures themselves have always been clear enough to read. This is how I do all of my business with keys.

Out of what I believe was 8 keys total, 1 doesn't work. A buyer (note: Non EpicNPC member) finally says a key doesn't work after she gives it to him. How am I supposed to sit here and believe that a buyer didn't say the key didn't work after they activated it? Especially after I sold her 7 other working keys, where would the motive be to potentially scam a single key valued at roughly $25? Why would I destroy my name/reputation on the site over $25 when I sell tons of keys at a time?

This is where my kindness kicked in and I volunteered to try to work with Blizzard on the subject over the phone OR replace the key when I was given the chance to get them. I do not buy these keys from a store, I get them from someone else at a cheaper rate mailed and sealed. I then sell them after opening the box. They have never sold me a wrong key (as I previously mentioned, no one has ever had an issue). So I let Rmysidia know that when I get more in, I should be able to supply her a key free EVEN AFTER SHE OFFERED A 50/50 SPLIT BUT I DECLINED. I then attempted to work with Blizzard to figure out how a key was activated in a sealed box. They weren't very helpful, as no bureaucracy ever is. So the issue simmered for a bit. We had little contact, but I kept letting her know I was working on it. MIND YOU... I was working on it out of the kindness of my heart, not because I was required to. The chances that she got scammed by someone are about 99.9% rather than me giving her a non-working key... as I ONCE AGAIN have never done.

There was a lapse in our communication and I didn't hop on the site or Skype for a few days because, yes, believe it or not, some of us have personal lives off of the cyber world and with it being the holidays and me having a professional career I can get very busy... meaning my relationship with the internet and "key community" becomes the last thing on my mind. I don't come on here because I need the money, I come on here to sell for small profit margins to help support a friend's project with a few extra bucks here and there. I also have the opportunity of supplying people with cheap keys because I don't believe in the astronomical prices that games are sold at these days for the quality they are worth. Believe it or not, some people aren't here just to drive profit of greed. I often discount items very fast and give great deals to those who are kind.

Now...

To sum this up... I've sold Rmysidia many working keys as well as every single person in my feedback. None have ever not worked because they come out of a SEALED BOX. I never sell the same key twice, because I don't make mistakes. We had one transaction for 3 keys for about $80.00 USD. 2 of the key she sold from that package worked just fine. Then another random buyer says the key doesn't work. Her record keeping should show I didn't sell her the same key twice because honestly, I've sold her every single D3 key I have had so far minus maybe one or two and I know for a fact I didn't double up. I am now being held liable because she was potentially scammed by someone.

Where it stands right now OBJECTIVELY is that I owe nothing, because when a product leaves a persons hand into another persons hand, it is then their responsibility.. and because I don't sell bad/non-working keys. Once the key left my possession into hers, it becomes her responsibility to choose the right people to work with. My promises of attempting to help and possibly getting her a key are now null and void. I've been locked out of my PayPal account for use when I needed it most to help a family member who needed some money quickly in a far away state. It wasn't letting me send anything with the dispute open. So now you've made me absolutely furious during a time of year when there is no reason for it. I will no longer be helping to attempt solve this issue. Rmysidia can be responsible for working with the person who took the key and activated it, with Blizzard, and with whomever else it needs to be handled with.

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I noticed how she failed to mention in her pictures, as she took them perfectly to leave this out: That she even accused the person of scamming her and I was the one who said "Oh well maybe not, he has good reputation."

[12/2/2012 8:59:10 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: ya
[12/2/2012 8:59:13 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: idk maybe hes l ying
[12/2/2012 9:02:06 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: well maybe hes trying to scam me?
[12/2/2012 9:06:19 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eB,...
[12/2/2012 9:06:25 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: theres his ebay id
[12/2/2012 9:06:28 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: he has good feedback
[12/2/2012 9:07:00 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): He does so he seems trustworthy.
[12/2/2012 9:07:05 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Let's do this.
[12/2/2012 9:07:30 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): To keep your eBay account pristine, supply him another key. We will see what is happening with this key tomorrow via Blizzard call if possible.
[12/2/2012 9:07:47 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): If there is no resolution, I can give another key in place of it. I don't want to see you getting dinged on eBay for this.
[12/5/2012 9:20:48 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: Np don't fret
[12/5/2012 9:20:59 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: I think the buyer is lying personally but no clue
[12/5/2012 9:21:00 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: :/
[12/5/2012 9:36:28 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Hey if he is, nothign we can do. Let's just focus on making sure you don't lose any money

I will be getting you a key eventually, just gonna take me a few days possibly.

Rmysidia · Dec 26, 2012

*edit*
I have cancelled the claim so that Nomotiv's funds are no longer on hold but I expect a refund of $14 at least (half of what I paid for the key

And by the way, you cannot open a paypal claim for a specific amount, thats why I put in the comment I would consider a $25 refund amicable.

All i am asking for is $25 i paid $28 for the key. Maybe it was your mistake, maybe my customer pulled a fast one. we dont know.
But for certain if I buy any cd keys from anyone in the future, I will be calling blizz to make sure that they are all valid.

The point is you said you would help me and that was 3+ weeks ago now and then you went missing for a week on skype. I'm not trying to be a *****.

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Ok... now he is refusing to refund me anything because I locked him out of his paypal acct for 48 hours and blah blah:

[12:43:35 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Uhm. Sorry--not going to happen. I've explained to you several times that I am no longer being curteous to help after what you pulled. You really messed some stuff up for me by having my PayPal locked the past 48 hours. The PayPal transaction dispute was resolved by PayPal as you can see and that is because 1: You can not dispute the transaction of intangible goods.
[12:44:02 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): I told you before I was willing to help but it may take some time. A series of events has kept me from acquiring keys, as you can see, I haven't been selling anything on the site.
[12:44:27 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: You said you would help me
[12:44:27 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): You weren't patient, you opened a scam report and had my PayPal locked. This really messed up something I was doing via PayPal.
[12:44:31 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: even it if was 50/50
[12:44:32 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): I said you were going to.
[12:44:39 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: I waited over 3 weeks, how is this not patient?
[12:44:43 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Then you pulled this. When you had no right to.
[12:44:46 AM] Rochelle Bigfangs: Then you dissapear for a week.
[12:44:52 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Helping you was out of kindness, not out of requirement.
[12:47:29 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): And the reason I say this is because you were scammed.
[12:47:33 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Not because of something I did.
Nomotiv (Keit

Me closing the case:

nomotiv · Dec 26, 2012

I. Was. Never. Obligated. To. Split. 50/50. With. You.

I have never. ever. ever. Sold a key that didn't work. Because these keys come out of a SEALED BOX just as if you took them off of the shelving at a store. I can tell that they weren't tampered with because they all look the same, and who I buy them from is a long time business partner/friend.

You dealt with a non-community person and they got you for a key. Unfortunately, that means that I cannot help you.

If I sold you a SINGLE key and it didn't work, I think that would be fair grounds for a scam report. However out of about 8 keys JUST TO YOU (not counting the other maybe 50 I've sold on the site), one key somehow is said to not work. This is why I cannot even see it being possible that it is anything other than you getting scammed. There is no motive for me to scam someone a key, to ruin a 100% rep on here with over 20 transactions with feedback.

This is the only argument I can make in my defense. If you guys decide to deem me a scammer because of this, even after this seemingly irrefutable response, then so be it. You are just blacklisting one of the honest members of this community--the type of people who keep people around by supplying trustworthy products at a lower than retail value price.

Also you cancelling the PayPal did not do me an favor, so please stop using it like it is a move of being courteous. They do NOT INSURE purchases on intangible goods. You had no chance of getting your money back through them.

Until next time.

Epic 1NPC · Dec 26, 2012

There's only one of two possibilities here.

1) The key was bad (used)
2) The buyer pulled a fast one on Rmysidia

No one is going to be able prove who's right unless Blizzard tells you the date the key was used and we know they normally don't do that, so we're stuck.

My decision:
If nomotiv stated at the time of sale there are no refunds for the keys, then I will agree with him about the no refund. Otherwise just split it 50-50 so we can close this dispute.

Rmysidia · Dec 26, 2012

he never said anything about no refunds. I posted logs where he continuously stated he would provide a new key/ help me out.
He should do the 50/50

nomotiv · Dec 26, 2012

I shouldn't have to proclaim no refunds on a key... it is a one time use item. It is not an account. It is not something that can be refunded after it has been used. If I said "Refunds are welcome on keys!" Then people would be able to rightfully use the key and then ask for a refund... You see where I am coming from here?

I am not going to re-explain for now the 8th time, that my agreement to help was purely out of kindness and I did NOT give you an amount of time it was going to take. It was not REQUIRED for me, because you were scammed. You chose a bad buyer, not me. I sold you MULTIPLE keys and you found a buyer that says one didn't work. Out of that many keys why would I fraud you a single key to ruin easy/simple business connections in the future as well as ruin my name. I am NOT going to explain this again.

I am not doing a 50/50 split on this for 2 reasons... 1) I declined it the first time you offered. 2) I owe you nothing, you were given all freshly opened working products.

I offered to help after that out of kindness, not necessity... explained again.

Then after explaining to you that I wasn't getting any keys because my supplier wasn't getting them to me, and that I don't know when it would happen, that I might be willing to give a replacement key to mitigate your losses.

Then I log into my PayPal to send money somewhere and I am locked from a dispute. So out of a response to that, and learning a lesson of not going behind someone's back who is nice enough to help WHEN THEY CAN is being put in place... explained again.

Rmysidia has no right to open a scam report on me because she got scammed by someone else. That is like me buying an account from someone, conducting a transaction with another completely random person, getting scammed by them, and then opening a scam report on the person I originally bought it from. It is the EXACT. SAME. THING.

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Go ahead and impose sanctions on me for refusing to give a refund to someone who made a bad choice after me giving them 100% perfectly good items they wanted. I'll sleep better knowing someone didn't get something they didn't deserve because they are crying wolf after they made a bad choice. It's called life, you make a bad choice, you learn from it. I've made bad choices causing me to lose thousands of dollars--I didn't get to run to the bank and go "Oh my god, I did something stupid, I need my thousands of dollars back."

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And one more thing: The title of this thread. What a heap of ****. It completely looks like I never gave her anything and ran off with money. It is complete defamation... You can definitely expect nothing from me now.

Bunny · Dec 26, 2012

Refunds are understood for defective or unusable goods. Now, let's imagine if you proclaim 'no refunds regardless of defective/unusable keys'. The same could be said of you. You could simply provide defective or even used keys. Hence, it's understood that you have to provide a refund policy unless specifically stipulated otherwise. I'm sure if you stipulated otherwise, no one would dare to purchase from you.

The offer to refund was not out of kindness. Had you not, this thread would probably have been up a month ago. All you did was simply stall Rmysidia with her trust on you. If you didn't have the 'no refund' policy then as well, you would've to provide a 50-50 refund as well.

How would you know the keys didn't have problems with them? There have been cases of keys not working from the manufacturers themselves. Provide evidence that the key you provided to her upon sale was 100% functional and we can discuss from there. Otherwise, you cannot say with 100% certainty that she was scammed by her buyer. Your reputation meant nothing but to extra faith for people to have in you. There have been instances of many highly repped individuals deciding to scam and just take a ban when they're 'done' with this site. Reputation is not a concrete form of substantiation.

This thread was also created out of fact you had ZERO communication with her till the PayPal dispute was created. You were logged onto EpicNPC several times and I fail to be convinced on why you couldn't have simply sent a message to her letting her know you were busy. For all we know, you were waiting for her to do this so as to pull a 'wow you did this to me, I'm now not refunding you'. This sounds like Toonvendor all over again except on a small scale - look where he is now.

If you were unable to get a key, you could've sent money to reimburse her. You did nothing to make anything right. All you did were in words.

Every word in the title of this thread is true. If you don't resolve a scam thread, you'll be banned. EpicNPC's verdict is for you to provide proof of a no refund policy. If you can't , you're to refund Rmysidia for 50% of the key's cost.

nomotiv · Dec 26, 2012

Hey Mysteriaa, I cannot help to mention that you are absolutely way too attractive to ignore. Go out on the weekends for me so I can by a leap of faith meet you in whatever area you live in and we can let this all blow over on a nice drink? Dinner and flowers with a night on the town. I always buy on the first date and all of those succeeding.

Until then, I can care less if I am banned... I simply supply people with cheap affordable keys to enjoy games they cannot afford on the shelf of a store. I've mentioned my previous motives behind it, as I don't do it for personal money gain, I do it to support a friend. If I were here to make a personal monetary gain by scamming, it would have started much sooner than a year ago of membership... This website has legitimately such a lack of impact on my life that I don't care.. I will still be successful, advance in my career as a post grad to make incredible money, grow to have a family of my own, and retire to a warm sunny state. So... The threats of banning me here are taken with that less than a grain of salt. It's not that I think you are all worthless, it's that--have you ever had a friend who stopped being your friend after so many years? They just kinda withered away and you years later came to realize "Well.. I feel nothing of remorse--they are just gone." Yeah I have had that with people I've known for years who I grew up with, and you can sort of compare that to this website. Things come and things go. My banning here will be rightfully so per the rules, but it will also let me smirk at the fact that it bothered me none.

It is unfortunate I am given such a reputation of being unkind because I am on the bad end of this thread. I am more than reasonable in every situation I face everyday. I have had people who have done wrong right in front of me and I've acted with empathy to help them improve their mistakes.

As for my reasoning behind our current situation: I do not believe in people getting what they do not deserve. That is why I will be more successful than anyone a part of this conversation. There is a fine and most beautiful line between fairness and too much empathy. Unfortunately, we're all so used to being marginalized into weak people that we expect to be treated "fairly" in situations that aren't warranted for "fairness." Had I never provided a product for the money that was sent, I would see no line. That is cold hearted scamming. But that line is there, and it is marvelous. Marvelous because it separates the weak from the strong. Marvelous because we all are very aware I didn't do that, and that I did give a product, and that I was no longer responsible for it being scammed away after it left my possession.

Living a tough life and understanding your mistakes are not meant to be made up by others because you "yelped for help," is the only lesson someone can learn to actually be even remotely successful in providing for and raising a family. Take these principles and apply them to everyday life. You will find that you will be less considered a leech on society--and more an asset. You'll be less comparable to those who collect unemployment checks to buy drugs and alcohol, and better parallel with the hard working citizen who spends 40+ hours a week contributing to a system so they can provide for themselves and those close to them.

I'll walk away from here with dignity because I am leaving Rmysidia with a lesson that she won't forget. She will learn that just because she cries for help after she made a mistake is not going to get a crowd of people coming to save her outside of this web community. You are to be held responsible for the things you do. It is called growing up and living. This lesson is priceless. I do this to people everyday and I've had some come back years later and thank me for being tough. Because now they are.

Best of luck all, you were truly fun and I am glad I got to give some people 50% off of retail prices on keys for games that they get to enjoy everyday without ruining their wallets. Let my feedback speak for itself, as I've always been a friendly and helpful seller. An archetype that this site doesn't have enough of to simply ban them off.

Mysteriaa, the offer is still on the table.

Until next time, au revoir. Good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight.

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Naota · Dec 26, 2012

Posting here as I was helping my friend, Rmysidia, so please don't infract me as you always do since I am a part of this through her.

I offered to contact Blizzard and inquire about the status of the key she was provided, as in the date of use. The key shows it has been used when inputting it on a battle.net account, so I decided to give them a call and pose as a business owner who has had a Diablo 3 game and key returned because the key was invalid.

After talking for a bit over the phone to support, they were able to tell me the key was just faulty as they see no battle.net account in association with it. They said they would be more than happy to mail a new copy of Diablo 3 but you need to provide a photo of the box and key on the box as well as a photo of the proof of purchase or receipt.

So, nomotiv, maybe this will be a lesson to you. Don't always assume someone is in the wrong, because it very well could be you who is in the wrong, as is this case.

If you decide to take the ban instead of swallowing your pride and doing what is right, I wish you well. Also, Rmysidia, if he takes his ban by refusing to refund or replace the key, I would be more than happy to help you win your Paypal dispute.

PS: Mysteriaa is taken.

Bunny · Dec 26, 2012

Thank you Kamehameha. Going by what Kamehameha said, clearly, the problem resides with Blizzard. I was right about the manufacturer being at fault. If that's the case, Nomotiv, why don't you simply make this right? Rmysidia has been more than accommodating. She has explained her intentions of opening the dispute on PayPal to get your attention, she has even closed the dispute to prove that she only ever opened it to attain your attention. Regardless of how you may argue whether she could've won the dispute or not, she closed it on good faith in you. Everyone knows that; once a dispute is closed, you cannot reopen it. Both of you are legitimate, why would you rather take a ban?

I'm not going to ask Kamehameha to post proof as there really is no point. If you want to make this right, all you need to do is call in, confirm it, and provide the required documents. You may not want to admit you're at fault here for immediately assuming Rmysidia is the party at fault, but it is clearly evident now. You're only guilty for assuming.

You've moved from blatant arrogance to subtle arrogance. I hope you're able to move on from there to just be normal. You have the gift of education, you should be using it to help others and not be arrogant(Note: I'm not asking you to be humble). You're just presenting yourself in an obnoxious manner. No matter how valid your justification may be, it's just awful.

Also, thanks for your compliments. I'm not sure how genuine it is but I'm not the judge here, EpicNPC is, maybe you'd like to save it for him ^_^.

Austin Powers · Dec 27, 2012

yep as i recall she is definately married. and no offence nomotiv thats kinda creepy

Naota · Dec 27, 2012

Ok, so I also received a reply to a ticket I put in, and got a different response, but still the same result. This was nomotiv's problem and not the person who bought it from Rmysidia. They state is was used on 9/12/2012 which was prior to when Rmysidia received it.

Rmysidia · Dec 27, 2012

Really I thank you all for helping me. Nomotiv promised me over and over throughout the course of 1 month that he would provide me a new key. All he was doing was leading me on a wild goose chase and had no intentions of ever refunding me.

I thought I was more than enough patient. I promised a new key from his "supplier" by 12/5/12. It is now past Christmas, and I had not seen him online after 12/15/12 on skype at all, and that is unusual for him, he is always on skype.

I don't get why he would want to ruin a friendship over a stupid CD key or be banned. I had seem him log in the site periodically ( you can see when someone's last activity was). So at this point, I felt like he was deliberately avoiding me.

Now that I have opened this dispute, he has been leaving me snide remarks on skype, and has now deleted me last night.

I don't know why he is giving me a lecture of "you need to learn a lesson and stop crying for help."

You sold me a bad/used key and I have the skype pictures with the CD key you gave me in question, and it matches the one Kame opened a ticket about (which I am thankful). And the blizzard representative SAID it was used on 9/12/12. This was before I even did my first transaction with you.

So why don't you grow some balls and see that I am not the one that is at fault here and neither was my ebay buyer. If this is how you conduct business in the real world, then I feel sorry for you. I am going to try to re-open the dispute if at all possible on paypal.

I never once said anywhere in the dispute that I was paying for a CD key or intangible goods, so there is no way for you to prove that they are intangible. They dismiss Skype chat logs, as that is not viable evidence.

His last messages to me:

[12/26/2012 12:45:09 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Helping you was out of kindness, not out of requirement.
[12/26/2012 12:47:47 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): And the reason I say this is because you were scammed.
[12/26/2012 12:47:50 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Not because of something I did.
[12/26/2012 12:48:08 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): If I did something like refunded an account or something, I get it... then I am a scammer. I sell keys out of box.. Never has there ever been a problem with one because thats how it is works.
[12/26/2012 12:48:12 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): how it works*
[12/26/2012 1:32:50 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): That is my last and final response.
[12/26/2012 1:32:53 AM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Good luck
[12/26/2012 6:30:25 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): You got your response on EpicNPC.
[12/26/2012 6:30:44 PM] Nomotiv (Keith McKellen): Live with it. I am done with the issue and no explaining anything anymore.
[12:17:04 PM] Rochelle Bigfangs: http://i.imgur.com/QTaA7.png

Epic 1NPC · Dec 27, 2012

That screenshot confirms that the key was defective and it's also good to know that using that line of question with Blizzard Support we'll be able to get the date of keys for future disputes.

Nomotiv it's now up to you to provide Rmysidia with either a full refund or a replacement key. You're free to contact Blizzard to confirm, but I'll accept that as proof.

Waiting for Nomotiv's response and hopefully a resolution to this.

Epic 1NPC · Dec 29, 2012

Nomotiv has been email notified. Waiting for his reply.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 2, 2013

Nomotiv has been emailed and I sent a message on his Skype, but he was offline.

Ban in 48 hrs if there is no reply.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 2, 2013

Nomotiv's email is invalid so he has not received any of my emails. Hopefully he gets my message on Skype, but I'm not sure if people get messages while offline. Anyone know? I never use Skype.

Rmysidia · Jan 2, 2013

People do get messages while offline in skype. He has deleted and blocked me on skype. I also had the claim open again on paypal and he got it closed in a hurry. So he is around trust me.

PL4Y · Jan 2, 2013

deferentially do get them on skype if u are offline but you do have to log on to skype to see them

Naota · Jan 2, 2013

If you see a little circle to the right of the message you sent on Skype, they have not received it. If there is no circle, someone has viewed the message.

On another note, he is not coming back as he would be extremely embarrassed I'm sure. So he would rather go on with his nose held high instead of swallowing his pride.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 3, 2013

nomotiv has been banned.

Nomotiv MIA and not giving me CD key I paid for

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