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Vitek

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Trade Guardian Orders: 69

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Information
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Date that sale/trade took place: February 20, 2014
Method of Contact Used: Skype
Instant Messenger ID of other party: luciane83130 (mika)
Your Instant Messenger ID: supervitek (Витек)
EpicNPC Account of other party: http://www.epicnpc.com/itrader.php?u=279843
Other information:

Sale/Trade Information
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What was bought, sold or traded? WildStar full beta account
Link of transaction thread: http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/591567-Full-WildStar-ACCOUNT-with-fresh-e-mail-%E2%98%85%E2%98%85-85-%E2%98%85%E2%98%85-Buy-and-play-immediately!-ONLINE!
Approximate value of property: $90 USD

Was a middleman used?: No
If yes, who? ---
Describe why you believe the feedback is wrong: The buyers thinks it was me, who has sold my own account and has took it back later, that it not true. I'm a re-seller, I do buy WildStar keys and accounts and sell it later on, this account was bought by me, I even have a bank invoice for transferring money to buy this account with e-mail included. It looks like the original owner has took it back, I can not be 100% sure, but it may be the case.
Other details / notes: I was walking with a dog when the buyer contacted me, so then I got back home he was not answering my skype messages and he has left a negative feedback without trying to get any solution.

My attempts to chat with mika

[27.02.2014 21:23:03] mika: hi
[27.02.2014 21:23:26] mika: u selling me this account [email protected]
[27.02.2014 21:23:35] mika: now i cant reco
[27.02.2014 21:23:47] mika: and u change security mail
[27.02.2014 21:24:03] mika: + change password.
[27.02.2014 21:24:05] mika: refound me
[27.02.2014 22:02:07] Витек: hi
[27.02.2014 22:02:34] Витек: I'm not selling my own accounts
[27.02.2014 22:02:38] Витек: I do resell em
[27.02.2014 22:03:03] Витек: what has happened and when did it happened?
[27.02.2014 22:08:10] Витек: Mika?
[27.02.2014 22:11:37] Витек: write me when you are back please

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs:
My chat with the original owner (it is in Russian cause he is Russian speaking):

[20.02.2014 12:27:01] wiasat: Здравствуйте, Витек! Я хочу внести Вас в свой список контактов в Skype.
[20.02.2014 12:27:13] wiasat: Привет есть акаунт активирован 15 декабря. почту отдаю Hi, I got an account which was activated on 15.12, will give you e-mail as well
[20.02.2014 12:28:23] *** Витек has shared contact details with rand1k69.. ***
[20.02.2014 12:28:26] Витек: привет Hi
[20.02.2014 12:28:40] Витек: сколько ты хочешь за аккаунт? How much would you want for it?
[20.02.2014 12:28:50] wiasat: предложи you offer
[20.02.2014 12:29:07] wiasat: ты же их часто берешь) я отзывы почитал You buy it often, I read your feedback
[20.02.2014 12:29:16] Витек: ***
[20.02.2014 12:29:19] wiasat: ***
[20.02.2014 12:29:21] wiasat: ок
[20.02.2014 12:29:35] Витек: хорошо, система простая, я продам и отправлю деньги The system is simple, I will sell it and will send you money
[20.02.2014 12:29:43] Витек: продам до конца сегодняшнего дня I will sell it to the end of today
[20.02.2014 12:29:56] Витек: нужны логин в акк и почту в скайп и телефон киви I would need account and email details as well as you qiwi number
[20.02.2014 12:30:06] wiasat: [email protected] - 1234qwer
[20.02.2014 12:30:12] wiasat: of jndz;e vj,
[20.02.2014 12:30:16] wiasat: ща отвяжу моб I will remove my mobile now from the e-mail
[20.02.2014 12:30:19] wiasat: ток курну have to smoke
[20.02.2014 12:30:24] wiasat: ключ там в письмах the key for the account is in the mail
[20.02.2014 12:32:22] Витек: пароль к акку такой же? do you have same password for the account as well?
[20.02.2014 12:32:33] wiasat: qweR1234
[20.02.2014 12:32:45] wiasat: или 1234qweR
[20.02.2014 12:32:48] wiasat: )
[20.02.2014 12:32:54] Витек: ок, проверю ok, I will check now
[20.02.2014 12:34:00] Витек: с акком все ок, давай номер киви, как продам - переведу деньги Ok, account is working, give me your qiwi number I will pay after I sell the account
[20.02.2014 12:40:41] wiasat: я буду делать обмен через обменик не пользуюсь кошельками. я выставлю счет ты оплотишь I will be accespting payment through a special site, cause I do not use qiwi
[20.02.2014 12:40:48] wiasat: напишешь когда будешь готов write me when you will be ready
[20.02.2014 12:41:01] wiasat: я дома отдыхаю увижу I'm at home, will see your message
[20.02.2014 12:41:23] Витек: ок, хорошо Ok, deal
[20.02.2014 12:41:28] Витек: аккаунт твой собственный? Is this account your own
[20.02.2014 12:41:44] wiasat: Брата. но мой уже он в армии My brother, he is in the army, but account is already belongs to me
[20.02.2014 12:41:52] wiasat: родного he is my brother
[20.02.2014 12:42:15] Витек: хорошо, потому как продавать уже купленные у кого-то акки плохая затея It is good, beacuse to sell an accoun which is bought from another person is a bad idea
[20.02.2014 12:42:16] wiasat: когда вернется будет уже обт) The brother will be back when WS will be in OBT stage
[20.02.2014 12:42:21] wiasat: понимаю I understand your point
[20.02.2014 12:56:08] Витек: так тебе нужно поменять секретный вопрос и отвязать телефон you have to change sercret question and remove the phone number
[20.02.2014 12:56:14] wiasat: ctr
[20.02.2014 12:56:15] wiasat: сек just a second
[20.02.2014 12:56:23] wiasat: вопрос ответ говори give me any answer for a security question
[20.02.2014 12:56:44] wiasat: ну придумай just anything
[20.02.2014 12:56:49] wiasat: свой вопрос и ответ) your questions and your answer
[20.02.2014 12:57:00] Витек: да с тем же квером сделай и все please use same answer as the password
[20.02.2014 12:58:10] wiasat: имя первой учитильницы) the name of your first teacher
[20.02.2014 12:58:14] wiasat: 1234qwer
[20.02.2014 12:58:17] wiasat: моб отвязан mobile phone is removed
[20.02.2014 12:59:12] Витек: понял, спасибо got it, ty
[20.02.2014 13:24:35] wiasat: что там? how is going?
[20.02.2014 13:24:53] Витек: немного занят, напишу чуть позже sorry, little bit busy atm, will write later
[20.02.2014 13:25:21] wiasat: мне пишут за акк. ты продал его? ты меня извини мне чуть больше предлогают а я беспокоюсь
[20.02.2014 13:25:39] Витек: беспокоешься о чем?
[20.02.2014 13:25:54] wiasat: ты попросил сменить все
[20.02.2014 13:25:59] wiasat: значит продал
[20.02.2014 13:26:10] wiasat: а мне не пишешь
[20.02.2014 13:27:26] Витек: нет, я попросил сменить, чтобы безопасно продать
[20.02.2014 13:27:36] wiasat: долго ждать?
[20.02.2014 13:28:05] Витек: я чуть занят, рабочий день
[20.02.2014 13:28:12] Витек: напишу чуть позже, как освобожусь
[20.02.2014 13:28:15] Витек: не переживай
[20.02.2014 13:28:31] wiasat: хм мб я его продам другому челу а тебе 100 скину позже за беспокойство
[20.02.2014 13:28:38] wiasat: вдруг ты не продаш)
[20.02.2014 13:29:03] Витек: я продам, все продавал
[20.02.2014 14:51:45] wiasat: ?_
[20.02.2014 15:08:36] Витек: договорился уже с человеком
[20.02.2014 15:08:45] Витек: как мне отпишет - напишу
[20.02.2014 15:08:49] wiasat: еклмн я думал ты меня швыронул)
[20.02.2014 15:44:43] wiasat: жесть
[20.02.2014 15:46:42] wiasat: Это не серьёзно. извини что напрегаю просто я сижу жду тупо. и у меня появляется сомнение
[20.02.2014 15:47:00] Витек: давай номер кошелька
[20.02.2014 15:47:07] wiasat: Cвой
[20.02.2014 15:47:18] Витек: а да, забыл
[20.02.2014 15:47:23] Витек: +380***
[20.02.2014 15:48:47] wiasat: чет инет подтупил
[20.02.2014 15:48:53] wiasat: любую оплотишь)
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[20.02.2014 18:20:37] wiasat: чек скинь please send me the confirmation recite (Internet was really slow this day)
[20.02.2014 18:22:14] Витек: Перевод на карту Приватбанка *** 5168742062880228 Покупаю аккаунт игры WildStar (полная бета компании ncsoft.com) вместе с почтой [email protected] Пл-щик: *** *** (Money transfer to PrivatBank credit card 5168742062880228 I'm buying WildStar account with e-mail included ([email protected])
[20.02.2014 18:23:06] wiasat: не мне не такой скидывали I need another recite
[20.02.2014 18:23:09] wiasat: посмотри check
[20.02.2014 18:23:28] wiasat: в операциях in your bank operations
[20.02.2014 18:24:37] wiasat: афк минут 10 afk 10 mins
[20.02.2014 18:27:51] Витек: Должны быть у тебя, мне смс уже пришла о снятии you have to have a money already, I got a sms with a confirmation, that money is moved
[20.02.2014 18:29:49] Витек: отойду пока will be away for a while
[20.02.2014 18:52:53] wiasat: ок
[20.02.2014 18:53:04] Витек: должны уже быть у тебя you have to have the money
[20.02.2014 18:53:05] Витек: проверь check it
[20.02.2014 20:25:40] wiasat: все got it
[20.02.2014 20:25:41] wiasat: норм all is Ok
[20.02.2014 20:25:48] wiasat: слава украини
[20.02.2014 20:25:59] wiasat: ну ты понял)

As you can see he gave me all the details, e-mail and account password and has received his payment.


Pictures/Screenshots:
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Bank invoice with e-mail of the account included, I can send original to the Epic stuff

Other proof:

Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the trade? No
Have you traded with this person before? No
Approximately how many trades have you done on EpicNPC ? More then 70

I have contacted the e-mail company (www.mail.ru) explaining what has happened, so I got a Ticket number and I will provide the support report below (sorry it is in Russian as well, cause it is a russian e-mail company). I have applied a Ticket against scammers.

От кого: Support Mail.ru <[email protected]>
Кому: Виктор Стасюк <[email protected]>
Вчера, 22:43
*** Это письмо сформировано автоматически, отвечать на него не нужно *** This letter is an automated answer, no need to replay

Ваша заявка «Жалобы на спам (мошенничество) [email protected]» получена. Your petition "Spam and scammers" on [email protected] has beed received.

Дата: 28.02.2014 00:43.

Ей присвоен номер 2014022821002618. Просьба при ответах не изменять тему письма и присвоенный заявке номер. The ticket number is... Please do not change the topic of this letter and petition number.

В ближайшее время мы свяжемся с Вами. We will contact your ASAP.
Обработка Вашей заявки может занять до 5 дней. It may take up to 5 days to proceed your request.
Спасибо за понимание.
Ty for understanding.
 
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Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/keiichi-owes-me-fees-i-hope-he-is-okay-cool-dude.1433002/
I would want you to translate most part of the conversation to English if this going further including support mail.

Luciane has been notified in the meanwhile.
 
Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/keiichi-owes-me-fees-i-hope-he-is-okay-cool-dude.1433002/
Sorry but i can't notice that you've translated anything from the conversation + from the email. Please do so so we can continue this case.

I would like to read the whole conversation and web translators like google translator wont translate me everything correct.
 
Sorry but i can't notice that you've translated anything from the conversation + from the email. Please do so so we can continue this case.

I would like to read the whole conversation and web translators like google translator wont translate me everything correct.

I have translated every line of the conversation as well as email, it is on the right side of every Russian phrase. Should I do anything else or probably I didn't get what should be done. I have translated it in the first post by editing it.
 
Viket buys wildstar beta account from someone (russian)
Viket sells Wildstar beta account to Luciane
few days later account is recalled

Did you contact the OO yet? Is there any proof Luciane sent you showing the account was recalled?

I see no warranty on your thread Viket. If there was no warranty and it's proven the OO recalled the account, you are responsible for refunding the buyer.
 
Viket buys wildstar beta account from someone (russian)
Viket sells Wildstar beta account to Luciane
few days later account is recalled

Did you contact the OO yet? Is there any proof Luciane sent you showing the account was recalled?

I see no warranty on your thread Viket. If there was no warranty and it's proven the OO recalled the account, you are responsible for refunding the buyer.

I'm trying to contact OO, his skype is offline. I didn't receive any proof from Luciane that account was recalled as well.

I didn't get your last point. I have sold OO account to Luciane, I didn't gave him any guaranty that the account is not going to be taken by OO, as no one can guaranty it. This is the first time when OO is taking his account back in my practice. For example MM are not giving any guaranty after account is transfer, that it is not going to be taken back, never do I. I never stated it is my own account, and it is always risky to buy someone account even though it is cheaper.
 
Yes but even if you did not give a guarantee you are still responsible for the account. Sellers are ALWAYS responsible for what they sell no matter where they got it.
 
As doomedtofail stated, sellers are responsible for the accounts they sell. You can't just say, "well the OO recalled, sorry, better luck next time" and walk away with their money.

You have to secure the accounts you sell and if it's proven to have been recalled you must either help recover it or refund the buyer. You can add your own warranties that says 30 or 90 day guarantee, but the buyer has to agree to that before payment. If you have no warranty, then our rule above stands.

Let me know what the OO says.

Luciane has been notified. Please post what proof you have that the ESO beta account was taken from you.
 
Ok, thank you I got the idea. OO is still offline, has wrote him today - no answer.

It is not a ESO it is a WildStar account. Also waiting for the proofs.
 
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