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He threatened to recall account I received from the guy he traded it too; after I already spent money on the account. He said he would pay to transfer the warrior off the account (toon I played most) at his cost. (total of $105) I told him not to worry about it; but since he was willing to spend $105 if he could just refund me for the transfer. ($25) He agreed and said he would do it thursday, that's when he got paid. (it was last tuesday when he said that and last thursday is when he got paid)

Last thursday thru Sunday i called him multiple times, leaving numerous ways to contact me if he needed too (via answer machine). After sunday I stopped calling, I never harassed him or demanded payment...

The guy I traded my account for the warrior account (also had 6 other 80s) is never on so, and I didn't feel like the hassle of going through a scammer thread.

Even though no trade was involved directly between me and healornodeal (guy who threatened to recall the account I had) I left him bad feedback because he did infact threaten to recall (i ended up just giving him the account info) and he did lie about compensation...
 
Please use the template next time.

Thread: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/wow-usa-accounts-auctions-buy-sell/403746-5-5-wrathful-t2-warlock-%7C-80-rogue-alt-%7C-oo-%7C-mechano-hog-%7C-$150-obo.html
So you also traded the account?

Trade Chain
Healornodeal > SOMEONE > necrosyst > ??

Why is Healornodeal recalling the account and why did you agree to give it back? Did you get your account back?
 
Technically his negative feedback has nothing to do with the trade. Has to do with you asking for money (which you did) and then harrasing him via phone (which you also did).
 
Well, it's a huge mess and it happened about 3 weeks ago so I'll do my best to explain it. (on a side note, Healornodeal and I are starting to work things out again.)


To start off with I'll list who had what account to start out with. (4 people are involved)

Healornodeal: a wrathful mage account, a 7 80's account, and his personal account. (3 seperate accounts)
Necrosyst: wrathful warlock with 80 rogue alt
Kaymada: wrathful paladin
wowkiller: warlock


- To start out with, wowkiller traded his warlock to Healornodeal for his wrathful mage.

- warlock gets recalled.

- wowkiller gets warlock back but decides wants to trade it for kaymada's paladin, healornodeal basically convinced him not to trade it and so wowkiller gives warlock back to healornodeal, in exchange, healornodeal offers the 7 80's account to wowkiller in return of the wrathful mage. However, healornodeal told wowkiller not to trade the 7 80's account because he didn't want to make it a chain traded account. (i'm assuming wowkiller agreed, but no proof can be provided by either of them)

so as of now, healornodeal has wrathful mage, warlock, and his personal account.
wowkiller has the 7 80's account.

- healornodeal trades warlock for kaymada's paladin.

- warlock gets recalled again so kaymada took back his paladin.

- wowkiller trades 7 80's account to me in exchange for my wrathful warlock. (only username, password, sqa were exchanged)

- i post 7 80's account for sale.

- wowkiller see's i'm "unhappy with the trade" and gives me wrathful warlock account details back and offers to trade back. (the wrathful warlock account was frozen) (I told him no I wanted to keep 7 80's account)

- healornodeal see's I have the 7 80's account and tells me he's recalling

- instead of causing a bigger mess and having the account banned, i just give him the account details. wowkiller didn't change the wrathful warlock account details so I just took back my wrathful warlock. (i offered to share the details until we get it fully resolved but wowkiller said he's quitting wow so it doesn't matter)

- healornodeal feels guilty for taking back 7 80's account so he tells me he'll sell the wrathful mage and pay for the CD keys and transfer to transfer the warrior off (one of the 7 80's). ($105 total) I say okay, I tried to help sell the mage but then something came up and Kaymada needed compensation for something so healornodeal gave the mage to kaymada. (I'm super confused on what happened here, somehow healornodeal traded kaymada his personal account too.. gonna need healornodeal or kaymada to clarify this)

- Healornodeal offers to pay the $105 when he gets paid (last thursday) I say don't worry about it and if he could just fund me the $25, he agrees.

- Thursday came by I didn't hear word from him, all the way up to sunday I admit I called him multiple times. I then assumed that healornodeal was just lying about it and that he never planned on paying me. (he never returned any phone calls or anything)

- like this past friday or so, healornodeal contacted me and said he was away all week. (I was asleep when he sent this message)

- eventually I got in contact with him and he gave me the information to a paypal account that he had possession in, but it wasn't his and it's limited. There is $40 on the PP account, I do know who the owner of the PP account is, he's a repped member on here. Healornodeal was in the middle of something and couldn't give me specifics so I'm unsure of how he got the PP account.

- I already sold my wrathful warlock, wowkiller and healornodeal or hardly ever on AIM so I can't really resolve the issue.

I have saved all the chatlogs for proof, but we're talking hours and hours of talking.

If healornodeal / wowkiller disagree about how things went down, then I'll be more and happy to provide SS.

---------- Post added 11-22-2010 at 01:02 PM ----------

Technically his negative feedback has nothing to do with the trade. Has to do with you asking for money (which you did) and then harrasing him via phone (which you also did).

You can't just leave negative feedback because you find someone annoying, rude, or a ******. I asked for money because he offered it; I never really harass him either..
 
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But i do beleave feedback is ment to be just that, his impression of you and how you conducted yourself...

Nerd raging = negative feedback troll king, GL!
 
But i do beleave feedback is ment to be just that, his impression of you and how you conducted yourself...

Nerd raging = negative feedback troll king, GL!

Although the "nerd raging" part could have been left out I do agree that feedback is also open for complaints of not just trades but interactions.
 
Although the "nerd raging" part could have been left out I do agree that feedback is also open for complaints of not just trades but interactions.

Excluding the fact that he has no proof really, either way, we are in the process of getting it resolved.

---------- Post added 11-22-2010 at 09:52 PM ----------

But i do beleave feedback is ment to be just that, his impression of you and how you conducted yourself...

Nerd raging = negative feedback troll king, GL!

I was not nerd raging, I just called multiple times asking about payment and leaving ways to contact me.

I still don't see how leaving feedback doesn't require a trade to happen. What was the deal URL then? He linked my thread of where I was selling my warlock which was highly irrelevant.

That means I could leave bad feedback for trolling a thread on which I was being serious on. I would say something along the lines of it was rude and disrespectful. I could also leave bad feedback for you Whambulance saying that you helped Mordred belittle me in my utmost time of need!

---------- Post added 11-22-2010 at 10:02 PM ----------

And on a side note, since we have the right to leave negative feedback without a trade happening, that means I can leave random positive feedback to people, right? You should see a lot of problems right there, I shouldn't have to discuss details.
 
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Excluding the fact that he has no proof really, either way, we are in the process of getting it resolved.

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i didnt belittle you at all. I just said i can see the point of view. But you are correct that negative feedbaxck is usually for trades howe
I was not nerd raging, I just called multiple times asking about payment and leaving ways to contact me.

I still don't see how leaving feedback doesn't require a trade to happen. What was the deal URL then? He linked my thread of where I was selling my warlock which was highly irrelevant.

That means I could leave bad feedback for trolling a thread on which I was being serious on. I would say something along the lines of it was rude and disrespectful. I could also leave bad feedback for you Whambulance saying that you helped Mordred belittle me in my utmost time of need!

---------- Post added 11-22-2010 at 10:02 PM ----------

And on a side note, since we have the right to leave negative feedback without a trade happening, that means I can leave random positive feedback to people, right? You should see a lot of problems right there, I shouldn't have to discuss details.

I didnt belittle you at all. I do however see the point of view for what mordred said. Negative feedback is consistantly used for bad trades yes, but, it can be used to report a.members harrasing behavior. I would however like to see proof of said behavior, but as mike is already handling this thread,what im sayiing is only my view not an actual mmobay ruling.
 
I didnt belittle you at all. I do however see the point of view for what mordred said. Negative feedback is consistantly used for bad trades yes, but, it can be used to report a.members harrasing behavior. I would however like to see proof of said behavior, but as mike is already handling this thread,what im sayiing is only my view not an actual mmobay ruling.

The belittle part was sarcasm.
 
I don't know how theres no scam thread against wowkiller, seems every account he traded gets locked or recalled.

Anyway you cannot leave feedback if there was no trade/sale. Feedback has been removed on both of your accounts.
 
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