Member Dispute - Didiai

Hellana · Oct 21, 2019

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Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

I transfer the ring, gold was never sold from the account
You had 2 options
1. Leave
2. Be active in the guild

You have chosen the third option
"ignore the guild"
=(((

this was your mistake

WHAT I CAN:
1. I can give you my passport and you will try to restore your account
2. I can return you 10% of the amount, although here I am not obliged to do this, your actions led to the ban account

WHAT I CANT:
I lost my account, and now you want to take money from me that I worked on
1. I can not return the money

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

RING NOT SOLD RING ON ANOTHER ACCOUNT!!!!!!! the ring has nothing to do with our deal
the ring was at auction for 800 g, they asked about it , but you ignred. =((
You can write me before you were banned , why didn’t you do it? Why didn’t you leave the guild?
all information was provided upon sale (screen)

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

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Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

I don't understand how my actions led to me being banned, it would be diff if it was like more than 48 hours. btw even in DM's I said I would be fine with you getting the account back, all info is the same. And I didn't /ignore them I just ignored them by not responding seeing if it would blow over bc I had no idea how to awnser their question over a simple ring. If you get the account back then there is no issue, you have all the info I changed nothing. To get banned this quick and a PERMA ban is more than 100g also my third screenshot didn't attach :|.

char is unknown and has 0 rep but got 10 messages an hour abound random selling stuff I can deal with, it just blows over. But this was more than just that man, and you know it, you realize I just loged in but like twice and quested for a couple hours?

Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

Also, again this was a Perma ban, they just don't ban you like this for that, this is more than 48 hours of watching you to get this. I assumed it was mass reportings bc of the ring and other things before that, that's just what made the most sense to me due to the volume of tells and mail I got about that item. If you didn't sell it then I was incorrect. However that just means I have no idea why I got a PERMA ban for RMT for an account no info was changed on, less than 48 hours owned, over a weekend, on a game that dosnt straight up perma ban on the spot, it flags you then does it on dates.

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

The Freezing Band was at an auction for 800 g, I have no idea who wrote to you about it, it's just random people who wanted to buy it for 500, and as I understand it, these were people from the guild. Why didn’t you leave the guild? Since I did not have an active dialogue with them?

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

This was my personal account on which I played. I have another account with which I trade. They are not connected in any way, they are on different computers, and I also continue to try to sell Freezing Band for 800g

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

I can give you a photo of your passport, and you will try to return your account so that we do not change the IP address. You need this?

Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

bc I had no idea about the ring, they seemed mad you didnt sell it to them. I didn't leave bc I wanted to feel out the character and leaving abruptly over that issue alone, I was going to ninja leave later in the night. Like, the points you are bringing up are for someone who had played the account for more than a Day. I didnt know if me just leaving would flag a ninja move ect bc I didn't have enuff information on what was going on. so I just afk timed out and came back later, I didnt talk to them, I didn't /ignore them. I didn't want to make a on the spot decision worse, to get guild removed for a afk time out over an item that you farmed yourself, claiming to have 0 rep or talkings with people this honestly just screams something else man.

Like I said I doubt this one reason is why the account got banned for RMT, they just don't perma ban for one thing like this. Something else was done on this account to flag that.

I actually don't know what to do at this point, I would rather have the account than the money, all this would blow over in a week.

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

nothing will happen. I had a ring; I wanted to sell it. I didn’t knock him out with a guilty, no one asked me before, you are now inventing an incomprehensible drama. This is just a ring that I wanted to sell for 800g, it's all over. I didn’t raid with the guild, I didn’t go on joint campaigns, I think they didn’t even know about my existence until they saw a ring at the auction. You kicked you did not go. You yourself wrote about it. It was necessary to leave the guild. And I told you about this during the sale.

Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

im not inventing drama, how do I know about the ring at all? I said I was incorrect above if you didn't sell it. This is more than that then.

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

do you want i to try to return the account and transfer it to you again?
I think it will definitely lead to x2 bans
=)
i think best idea my passport and you write in suppport

Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

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Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

Also before all of this i did ask you for help on getting the account back before a refund.

Didiai · Oct 22, 2019

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Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

first attempt to recover rejected, if the next one gets rejected I am just going to want my money back. banned less than 48 hours, changed no info. the email would have said banned or suspended for account shareing. This seems to scream more of a RMT ban for stuff before I got my hands on the account. They don't ban perma first time offense w/o alot of evidence collected over time.

Hellana · Oct 22, 2019

Responded and didn't even take 24 hours this time, weird.....

Unless you can do something I would like a refund. had the account 48 hours, played maybe 5 hours. The ban was for RMT im certain before I had the account for a perma ban they usually data for weeks, I didn't change any of the info, if it had been me the reason would have been account sharing.

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

Hellana said:
first attempt to recover rejected, if the next one gets rejected I am just going to want my money back. banned less than 48 hours, changed no info. the email would have said banned or suspended for account shareing. This seems to scream more of a RMT ban for stuff before I got my hands on the account. They don't ban perma first time offense w/o alot of evidence collected over time.

I didn’t have RMT on this account
My last reasonable suggestion, given that when you buy an account you understand how the risks are, is 50% for the purchase of a druid.
You bought a druid for $ 500
You bought gold for 25%
I am ready to refund 50% of the account
TOTAL $ 250
and I take away the account I will try to restore it

Hellana · Oct 23, 2019

No, I want the full 530 . You cant be selling people marked accounts, if I had the account longer than 2 days and more than 5 hours playing time this would be a diff story. But this ban is stuff you did before i even got the account. Bought on a Saturday banned on a Monday

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

No. I cant refund full amount. Now I don’t have an account which you banned . 50% its best offer for you and for me. I not reseller.
I can’t be flattered by goods and money, because a person is not able to leave the guild, or to behave naturally in the game SORRY
we are waiting for a decision, as I understand it, here someone will decide for us if we have not found agreement between ourselves

Hellana · Oct 23, 2019

Can you tell me what I did to make this my fault? how I could possibly get an account perma banned on the 5 hours I was on it not even changing any info?

How does not leaving a guild get blizzard to perma ban an account? like you really think me logging in for the first time, getting swarmed with tells pretending to be afk and timing out lead to this ban? That is stupid and now i feel you are reaching, a 30 min afk did not cause this ban, I didn't realize guilds could randomly get blizzard to perma ban an account over the corse of a sunday, you cant even get them to answer a petition in 24 hours let alone work on a weekend.

a character that had 0 interaction with the guild and never talked to them got banned for logging in and afking, man its crazy what blizzard bans for now adays. Better watch out guys.

I told you before, I loged in got tells about the ring I afk'd out loged back in later that night to /gquit and was already removed. that's not normal for a guild to do to someone.

You also told me you only ever interacted with your team, and you had 0 interaction with them and it didn't matter if I stayed or left. its in the screen shots above. But seriously 30 min afk then guild removal when I loged back in, cmon man that's not ban worthy unless you did something before that.

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

I bought a ring for a long time at an auction for 500, when there were 5 of them, and kept it, I still have a ring and I wanted to sell it for 800. This ring bought for gold in a game at auction is not RMT
You were banned in the game. my opinion, because you didn’t have dialogues with people, and you could be write report for you, realizing that the person has changed, <-- THIS IS RMT!!!!! and now you want all the money back from me.
If you got a ban without Reports - it would be 30 days ban --- sharing
But people you reported - and you get perma ban - --- sharing but with reports ( suspicion of a change of person )
when buying an account in the future, just behave naturally, if you don’t know what to answer, write that you’re busy, that you will answer in a couple of minutes. I was 15-18 hours online would ask a question I would give you a ring, you would sell them for 500 and now you would play

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

Hellana said:
nd I didn't /ignore them I just ignored them by not responding seeing if it would blow over bc I had no idea how to awnser their question over a simple ring.

led this to this dialogue

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

I don’t want to return anything to you, I’m a quieter person, and I’m also angry with the situation.
I offer you 50%, because you also suffered, and if I were in your place, I would also ask for money back.
But I understand that buying this risk, you pay for the goods, although you find all the rules of the company.
Therefore, I think 50% is the best offer.
We are waiting for a solution to the system
Let the sentence be pronounced

Hellana · Oct 23, 2019

That wouldn't lead to a perma ban, you are reaching. The stuff you said would work if it was longer than the first 10 min that passed, there is nothing wrong with logging into the game and afking out. There is nothing unnatural about that, You recommending I immediately log in and /gquit wouldn't have changed the situation at all, I still wold have got the in game mail and tells if anyting it would have brought more attention to the matter.

Again this is all stuff you did before I got the account, I went into this blind with assurances there would be no issue.

You are trying to hind site 20/20 this, but the method you said would have made it worse.

I also just didn't respond to questions or people about items you were selling, the ring being the most tells. I talked to people who asked for help on quest and helped people on quest. Ignore one topic of discussion isn't out of the norm.

Again, you cant just be selling accounts that get banned two days after sale, imagine if I had changed any info? you would be using that as my fault right now I bet :|

I mean your strongest defense you are leaning onto this, is you pissing people off and me not /gquitting immediately. Wich prolly wasn't even the cause of the ban in the first place. It was too close to ban date, blizz doesn't perma ban people in such a short time over a sunday :|

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

I have 2 types, some accounts sell gold, others I play. This account had many different things, for a cat for a bear, a profession, this is a game account for sale. Not connections, not casual friends, no one that could influence his ban! This is a clean account !!!! I even have 2 computers, on another computer gold is sold there with a different ip address. I treat my work with love and try to make a deal safely. And until that moment I had no problems.
yes, they always wrote on the server, random people, called in guilds, called in raids, and sometimes someone asked me to remove the ring from the auction and sell it cheaper, but I ALWAYS answered, with easy words for me YES / NO / I BUSY, SORRY
but I did not know anyone, only my team, which also sell accounts ( And nobody got a ban)
I was in 5ppl dungeons ( with my team)
and 1 run UBRS 5 ppl my team and 5 random ppl ( LF5M Tank Heal 3 dps)
no raids
No joint activities
NO joint agreed quests
with random people
ONLY MY TEAM 5 PPL (3 UKRAINE 2 RUS ALL BOOSTERS, ALL SELL ACCOUNTS, And nobody got a ban)

let's not argue, wait for a decision

Hellana · Oct 23, 2019

you messed up somewhere, people knew that character or I wouldn't have gotten tells or mail for items ect. How did I know about ring you were trying to sell for 800g? leather pattern stuff DM loot drops ect.

You're on epic npc man, its cool you sold stuff for money, but you advertised character as clean. All that transferring to the gold selling account prolly flaged it. There were many msg's about items for you just to do one word responses.

Tbh sterotyping, that guild prolly kept you around for those services for the raiders and as soon as you sold immediately kicked :|

Hellana · Oct 23, 2019

also a normal person wouldn't gquit wit people sending you tells asking about the ring. again I was going to do it later with less people online w/o trying to be inducted into a conversation. if I would have /gquit and said I was quitting guild during that instance it would have flaged way more things.

however, im pretty sure it was all the stuff done before I got the account that led to ban.

He even states above in DM's guild was np could stay or leave. Now why all of a sudden so adimate should have left immidiatly under 10 min of logging in for firs time :|

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

OMG DUDE

Hellana said:
leather pattern stuff DM loot drops ect.

its all goods were auctioned, and returned after a time.
its https://classic.wowhead.com/item=15764/pattern-stormshroud-shoulders and other items

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

Come on, you’re not going to write nonsense now, insult me, I told you the truth, believe me, I don’t believe this is your personal business, I’m tired of answering and always telling a person something if you can’t even dare who the letter came from. This is an auction or a person. I will repeat one last time. I was never in the raid, I never took any things from the guild, I just sat there after the next invitation with a macro. The ring stood at auction for 800 gold, everything else came to you from the auction too, I wanted to buy a mount 100%. That is true and that’s it.
I ask you not to swear, and you come up with more and more nasty things about me.
I do not need money for the sake of reputation, I just want justice and am ready to divide 50/50 immediately quickly, or we are waiting for a decision 100/0 50/50 0/100 or Other
Waiting for a decision from EpicNpc

Hellana · Oct 23, 2019

How did I insult you? this is a gold/account selling website. No one here is going to think bad of that.

You had enuff money for an epic mount already with that 800g in dms above, and also those two bank alts that had around 150 in raw gold, entire bank full of TS mats and a couple of epic items worth 50g each, had patterns worth 100g fire resist alch recipe ect.

you say in a post above you also sell gold, why would you sell gold if you were saving for a epic mount? it even shows you in dms offering to sell me gold

I tought you just forgot about those two bank alts, but apparently you just took the gold and left everything else :| I now think you knew this ban was coming.

There are soulbound patterns people were offering to buy in the mail.

You don't get the volume of mail and tells you got in such a short amount of time, on a charater that doesn't talk and wasn't known.

There is no slander, I think you just messed up on this account However, everything you just posted above is a lie

there is no way I could know about all these items if I didn't read about them, this is all in a under 5 hour period of being on the account I had for 2 days.

Didiai · Oct 23, 2019

1. I suggested that you stay with gold, or transfer . You choice transfer
2. I left you absolutely everything GFPP / Pattens / more Herb on alts, and transfer only one ring
The administration, please issue a verdict, otherwise it becomes absurd, and I have a feeling that he is specially starting to invent something. I want to end this argument, I have nothing to hide, I don’t argue anymore

EpicNPC CM · Oct 25, 2019

Partial refund in this case is fair. There is no proof to determine what caused the ban. Hellana can leave a negative feedback, if Didai wants it to be changed to neutral you can both try to come up with some other type of resolution.

Didiai · Oct 25, 2019

I can return 250$ now
Hellana, do you agree?

Hellana · Oct 25, 2019

It wasn't the gold, you stated yourself that no other account you own was banned. If it had been the gold that account you transfer too would have been banned, Hell they would have saw you owned the account and usually do trades with it and wouldn't have been flaged in the first place I do it all the time on my accounts

You lied about saving for an epic mount

You sold me a known account that you communicated with people when you said you didnt

I owned the account for less than two days over a weekend and played it less than 5 hours

@EpicNPC CM

You cannot be letting people sell accounts that get banned in 48 hours this is bad form, now hes gana get to keep the money and recall the account claiming it was hacked or whatever

if it had been more than two days this would be a different thing, two days man? over a sunday?

Hellana · Oct 25, 2019

btw you can just go ahead and ban me :| 2nd time ive used this site, 2nd time been ripped off. IM sure you can see the history. 1k usd lost here Both times trusterd seller and paid np

Didiai · Oct 25, 2019

Customer requested a refund

EpicNPC CM · Nov 7, 2019

banned

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