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MD - Harukoh AIM- Harukoh17 Second time this has happened...sick of it.

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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #33FF33">Information</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Date that scamming took place:</span> Was IMed by Shioji informing me that once again Harukoh17's account(s) he has traded were recalled. Harukoh17 had to compensate me a hunter for a previous account locking and now I get an IM today from a member saying it was recalled/ OO took it off the bnet. (Aug 2nd) (ex; Oct 8, 2008)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Method of Contact Used:</span> AIM (MSN, AIM, ICQ, etc)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Instant Messenger ID of scammer:</span> Harukoh17 (nickname on IM client)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Your Instant Messenger ID:</span> TroySpielmann (your nickname on IM client)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Markee Dragon Account of Scammer:</span> Harukoh (if any)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Other information: Second time this has happened. I was compensated the first time but clearly that was yet another unsafe accnt.</span>


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<span style="font-weight: bold">What was scammed?: Level 80 Hunter </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Link of trade thread: http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth..._8_#Post2689254 </span> (link the thread of what you or they were trading, if any)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Approximate value of scammed property:</span> I sold it for $100.00 to Joeybalz ($XXX.XX USD)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Was a middleman used?: No </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">If yes, who?: </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Describe how you were scammed: Well first I was traded an account that got locked. Then I got compensated and the account got recalled and removed from bnet.</span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Chat Logs:</span> Use
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Other proof: Shioji will be posting his 2 cents as well, as he was also involved in a recall from Haru. </span>


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<span style="font-weight: bold">Did you do any background searching before the trade?:</span> Yes / No (optional)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Have you traded with this person before?:</span> Yes (optional)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Approximately how many trades have you done on Markee Dragon?:</span> (optional)


[url="http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2677336/Re_harukoh_Liar_and_apparent_s#Post2677336"]http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth...t_s#Post2677336[/url]


Link to the original/1st time I traded him and had an account locked on me.
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im not placing blame on any1 i just was saying it was in your possesion and it got locked then i gave u another acc and it got recalled by some dbag...and now im being called a scammer because 1 the acc i traded you was in your possesion when it got locked and 2 the acc i went out of my way to compensate u with was recalled...well w/e man ill try to see if i can somehow [censored] compensate you again but this is one thing after another..and i rly would like to keep my personal acc instead of giving it away to not be called a scammer when i didnt even scam any1..every1 has some bad trades and this is prolly the worst one ive had..again im sry for everything but i cant controll when people recall accs
 
1) The account locking was due to someone issuing an unauthorized character transfer. If you think I did that to my OWN account knowing that Id have to send in an ID in that I didn't even have, then your stupid, sorry.

2) From what I understand, Shioji recalled the hunter because the Warrior you traded him was recalled. So yeah...once again your fault.


I owe a user $100 because I sold him the compensated hunter... if you don't understand why I am upset over having 2 accounts lost from you then I don't know what to tell you...

I have sold multiple accounts and have never had an issue like this. You have been the first bump in the road for my buying/selling. And now I have a very unhappy customer because of NOTHING I DID...
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harukoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not placing blame on any1 i just was saying it was in your possesion and it got locked then i gave u another acc and it got recalled by some dbag...and now im being called a scammer because 1 the acc i traded you was in your possesion when it got locked and 2 the acc i went out of my way to compensate u with was recalled...well w/e man ill try to see if i can somehow [censored] compensate you again but this is one thing after another..and i rly would like to keep my personal acc instead of giving it away to not be called a scammer when i didnt even scam any1..every1 has some bad trades and this is prolly the worst one ive had..again im sry for everything but i cant controll when people recall accs</div></div>

When you chain trade, which it seems like you do, you put yourself at risk. It sounds as if neither of the accounts that you traded to Troy were secure. Because neither was secure, you are 100% responsible to give him a SECURE account.

You made a deal for an account and because of the lock (which I presume you cannot undo as you have no idea who the Original Owner, therefore that account is wasted now), you had to compensate with another account. That is the way it should be.

Now because that other account was not secure, you need to seek compensation once again.

And people wonder why the trading forum is dead nowadays...
 
well the first acc i tried to trade him is 100% secure ive had it for a while with no problems then i try to trade it to him the it gets locked then i try to compensate him even tho i did nothing to get the acc locked and then i trade the guy for the warr then the OO whoever he is recalled it
 
excuse me???? you cant be held responsible for an account that you traded being recalled????


I think thats something you should be held very responsible for. I have done probably 20 times more trades then you and have NEVER had an issue like this in quite some time. So dont try and blow smoke up my a ss.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TroySpielmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1) The account locking was due to someone issuing an unauthorized character transfer. If you think I did that to my OWN account knowing that Id have to send in an ID in that I didn't even have, then your stupid, sorry.

2) From what I understand, Shioji recalled the hunter because the Warrior you traded him was recalled. So yeah...once again your fault.


I owe a user $100 because I sold him the compensated hunter... if you don't understand why I am upset over having 2 accounts lost from you then I don't know what to tell you...

I have sold multiple accounts and have never had an issue like this. You have been the first bump in the road for my buying/selling. And now I have a very unhappy customer because of NOTHING I DID...</div></div>

Hey Troy,

May be a good idea to post the e-mail from Blizzard for the unauthorized character transfer for the first account.

Sufficient proof for the lock and such.

Just my two cents.
 
yeah sure lock the acc w/e man...y dont i just give u my [censored] main acc to compensate for a bs trade?
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harukoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well the first acc i tried to trade him is 100% secure ive had it for a while with no problems then i try to trade it to him the it gets locked then i try to compensate him even tho i did nothing to get the acc locked and then i trade the guy for the warr then the OO whoever he is recalled it </div></div>

you LIED about the X fer being up dude.... and when I checked the character xfer was down for the FULL amount, meaning that sh it was transfered days before u traded me... aka chain trading. So please, keep sending the excuses
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harukoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yeah sure lock the acc w/e man...y dont i just give u my [censored] main acc to compensate for a bs trade? </div></div>

lock the account? I think you may have misread something- I am not going out of my way to screw anyone else over, so yeah. And as far as your "main" account goes, im not going to tell you what you need to do, but I think its pretty bogus having 2 out of 2 accounts you have traded me go missing and cause drama.

I guess we'll let the mods figure that out as you apparently dont think you did anything wrong, which is redic.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harukoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i didnt chain trade i got that acc from the OO how else would i have gotten it unlocked? </div></div>

Im sorry but when a mod is aware that you chain trade, I think you MAY chain trade.
 
I dont know what to think with you dude. I dont think your a scammer but the accounts you trade are certainly not safe.


and the fact you think I did anything to cause the lock/recall just blows my mind.

Show me anywhere else where I have traded with someone twice, and lied to put the blame on them so I can get some kind of buzz out of dealing with MD drama... like seriously its rediculous.
 
i dont think you did anything..if i did i wouldve made a scammer thread of my own...if u want to see the hunter you can and we can try to work something out so u can have the hunter ok?
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kathunx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's try and come to a resolution today ladies. Harukoh is willing to compensate Troy, so find something fair and let's move on
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yup I understand- we're talking right now and ideally this will be taken care of today. Thanks for the reply, lady =p
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harukoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok well i gave him an acc so everything is fine </div></div>

Harukoh compensated me with an account. You may lock the thread to your hearts desire.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TroySpielmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harukoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok well i gave him an acc so everything is fine </div></div>

Harukoh compensated me with an account. You may lock the thread to your hearts desire.</div></div>
Locking it, hard.
 
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