We agreed upon a trade of a WAR account and a WoW account for my Darkfall account. Here was the original email:
He gave me the war info, i logged into the account, saw that there were no 40's and contacted him. he didn't respond. I have no WoW account now and no darkfall account and a pretty much worthless WAR account.
Unlucky for him, he forgot to take his personal info out of the mythic master account so I have his home phone number, address, and full name.
this is his profile:
http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/users/111032/Irbatmanlulz
is there any action I can take? Thanks.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #33FF33">Information</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Date that scamming took place:</span> march 20, 2009
<span style="font-weight: bold">Method of Contact Used:</span> g-mail chat so i have a full log
<span style="font-weight: bold">Instant Messenger ID of scammer:</span> Thebius
<span style="font-weight: bold">Your Instant Messenger ID:</span> madison.ruppert
<span style="font-weight: bold">Markee Dragon Account of Scammer:</span> http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/users/111032/Irbatmanlulz
<span style="font-weight: bold">Other information: </span> see above. a lot of contact was made through emails.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FFFF00">Scam Information</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">What was scammed?: </span> my darkfall account
<span style="font-weight: bold">Link of trade thread:</span> http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2359623/Trading_a_selection_of_account
<span style="font-weight: bold">Approximate value of scammed property:</span> $100.00+
<span style="font-weight: bold">Was a middleman used?: </span> no
<span style="font-weight: bold">If yes, who?: </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Describe how you were scammed: </span> see above
<span style="font-weight: bold">Other details / notes:</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Proof</span></span> (You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be vailid)
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Chat Logs:</span> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2:51 PM Thebius: hey! can you see this?
2:52 PM me: hey yeah
2:53 PM one sec getting water i was on a jog
Thebius: ok
2:54 PM me: alright so I think I should check out the WoW account first for 2 reasons: it will be a lot faster for me to patch up the WoW client rather than download the whole WAR client from scratch, and I can't hijack the account because you have the secret question.
2:55 PM after I'm able to login to the account and see the chars the darkfall account is all yours. See there is no way to recall a darkfall account whatsoever thats why I'm being so cautious
and there is not a secret question thing either :\
2:57 PM Thebius: Yea I understand your reasoning. It's just I dont really have faith in the account recovery system, and also my WoW account is worth more than my WAR account, so you could just leave without feeling like you lost anything
if I trade you WAR first, then you are inclined to give me correct information to get the second part
(wow) which is more valuable
3 80s opposed to 1 40...
me: Wait dude I can't take your WoW account because I couldn't change the password even if i wanted to..
2:58 PM Thebius: what do you mean?
yes you could
me: in order to change the PW for WoW don't you need the secret question?
Thebius: no
me: are you sure?
2:59 PM Thebius: yes, i already changed the password from my universal one to prepare for this without any problems
you can google if you want
to double check
i'll wait
3:00 PM me: okay well I trust you on that... but do you understand my need to see the chars before I hand over the account? there is absolutely NO way that I can get back my darkfall account from you so if they're blank accounts I'm totally screwed
3:01 PM Thebius: yes I understand what your saying, but I think we both have a pretty equal risk
especially with me giving out information first
wouldn't you say?
me: not really dude b/c you could say you forgot your password and change your password back easily
and it would be linked to your email
Thebius: you can change the email immediately
3:02 PM me: I mean we could go through this on the phone or something if it made you more comfortable
Thebius: want me to take a screenshot of the contact editing thing?
3:03 PM as soon as I give you my password and username
which I can do as soon as you agree to this
me: no i believe you... but I just can't give you the account until I know the chars are on your account... how can I gain your trust to let me just login to the char select screen? I mean you would be able to have me never do a trade on MD ever again, and send a request to blizzard that it got hacked and submit a police report even because you have my full name
Thebius: you can change everything and have access
me: I don't need to change everything dude don't worry
3:04 PM Thebius: but you can I will even give you a a couple minutes
if you want
me: I just wanna see the chars to make sure then I will change it I'm not scamming you
Thebius: im so desperate
for this df account lol
ugh this is pretty tough haha
3:05 PM me: I understand totally.. as was I but my new system won't play it for some reason which sucks so hard
Thebius: I really think me going first with warhammer is as much of a risk as I can take
i mean if i lose my warhammer account
thats like maybe 100 bucks idk
me: I can give you my home and school addresses and my personal phone number.. everything you would need to file a police report over it
Thebius: but I've spent litterly like 400 days
3:06 PM on my wow account
if i loose that
i'll feel like an idiot
and if you don't steal my warhammer account
me: first you won't lose it, second it would take me so long to download the WAR client in order to login and see the chars then hand over the df acct
3:07 PM Thebius: well i'm exchanging the account information
for your information
i'd expect the darkfall information right away anyway
so
i have a window
to change my war password
3:08 PM me: wait heres a solution: you could give me the password to patch up, change the password immediately, I patch, login with a new pw, you change it again, I look at the chars then you get the df account
that way I wouldn't have the password longer than I needed to just log in, ya know?
Thebius: the password for what?
3:09 PM me: wow since the time that it would take for me to patch it would be INFINITELY less than WAR since I would be d/ling 11 gbs or whatever
Thebius: but you could just log in to my account management site and change it instantly
get where i'm coming from?
haha
3:10 PM what's valuable about the information both of us have is being able to go to the account management site
me: you can refresh the page, and we could even talk over the phone while I'm doing it, I couldn't do it fast enough to [censored] you over man
Thebius: first thing I'm doing when I get your information will be change it
me: and no its really the chars for me :\
well of course I would expect you to
Thebius: yea
me: does it list your chars on the site or something?
Thebius: well i mean to say it's just a quick process
3:11 PM i wish
that'd be perfect
i could take a screenshot
[censored]
lol
me: I have a solution!
3:12 PM take a screenshot of the account page with the account name, have a friend with the WoW client login to the char select screen, take a screen shot, and then I would know the chars are on the account!
3:13 PM Thebius: that seems like a good idea I just don't know who to trust at all with my information
that still
has wow
that is
me: [censored]
Thebius: maybe one of my friends has a better reputation and can do it with you on MD or something?
3:14 PM idk
3:15 PM me: i think you could change the password faster than I could change all the info on your account you know?
Thebius: eh
but ive been practicing
on the darkfall website
and i have to change
so much [censored]
me: well you can put in a [censored] CC
like 41111111111111
3:16 PM which is what I did already and changed the pw from my universal one
Thebius: yeah but i mean i cant even change the password
without entering a new cc
at least you can buy yourself 3 minutes
by blocking me out
lol
me: what?
Thebius: warhammer account is really siimple
3:17 PM to change pass
you just type in new password
twice
and boom
me: okay look: wow has good support for account hackings and [censored]
darkfall has none at this point
Thebius: i don tknow about that though
me: my friend got his wow account back after someone recalled their paypal payment
cause he still had the secret question
3:18 PM Thebius: yeah one of my friends got their account hacked and all there chars deleted
and waited 2 months
and didnt get [censored]
me: and the CD keys and eveyrhting that makes it obvious he was the original owner
Thebius: called them
me: why would I delete those chars lol
Thebius: and billing said to email
idk i guess this guy had vendored
all this [censored]
and they got the account back
but with nothing on it
the actual chars werent deleted
3:19 PM me: yeah that sucks but I would never strip those chars it would be worthless seeing as its like an all gear based game
the chars are worth so much more than the gold so that would just be idiotic
Thebius: yeah i just am not going to trust anyone with that off the bat
3:20 PM i've learned my lesson with blizzard over the years lol
at least i wouldnt feel like a complete moron
if i lost my warhammer account
me: do you have to enter the secret question in order to have the password reset?
3:21 PM Thebius: i'm not even sure if warhammer itself has a secret question system like wow
since the master account is inititally bound with daoc
let me check
ill test it
3:22 PM me: I was talking about WoW sorry
Thebius: oh
no you don't need to enter a question
oooh wait
you mean if the account is stolen?
or to change the password?
to change the password you just login
and change the password
me: I mean when you click "forgot password" and it resets it
3:23 PM Thebius: let me see
i'm pretty sure it just sends a password to registered email
double checking
3:24 PM me: how can I get you to trust me that I'm not gonna change the contact info?
Thebius: well of the wow account
3:25 PM me: cause either way I can't do this trade without proof that there are chars on the account
Thebius: idk man
i'd need to really see that you didnt scvrew me over wtih war first
hm
me: dude you can give me the account info and I won't even login to WAR... would that be satisfactory?
Thebius: well i guess we're getting no where until i can find a screenshot somehow?
me: just to prove that I'm not gonna scam you
3:26 PM Thebius: man
me: dude my client is 2.0 how do I patch to 2.4?
Thebius: did you download the burning crusade [censored]?
3:27 PM it should automatically update, but sometimes its faster if you first manually dl bc
me: where do I get that?
yeah I'll do that first
you should start downloading DF by the way it takes forever
3:28 PM Thebius: outside of the account i forget
i did
i already have it
and everything
lol
ive had it
since a beta leak
on torrent
i'm like seriously
going insane here
me: oh theres a newer client
Thebius: yeah
i downloaded that too
all i need
me: lol
Thebius: is an active account
to get the new updates via patcher
lol
me: http://files.filefront.com/World+of+Warcraft+v240+US+Patch/;9883654;/fileinfo.html
3:29 PM will that get me from 2.0 to 2.4?
Thebius: let me see
me: I have 2.4 to 3.0
Thebius: damn 2.0 sounds really old i think we're at 3.09 now
me: yeah but if I get up to 3.0 it shouldn't be too long to patch up right
3:30 PM Thebius: well you have to download wotlk too
but thats not too big
yeah man i forget where all that [censored] is
3:31 PM me: im finding it
on wowwiki.com
Thebius: but if you give me your df info you can dl it easy =D lol
ya
theres [censored] somewhere
it's just a lot easier from account
maybe i can get link
from my account for you
one sec
3:32 PM me: I'm downloading the 2.4 patch and it says its going to take 5 HOURS!
Thebius: yea it kinda takes a while lol but it speeds up
blizzard uses some retarded torrent system
check your firewall settings, that actually affects dl speed for blizz patches
3:33 PM ok yeah you need to be logged in to access teh wotlk [censored], but you should be able to start it as a trial
me: well its not from blizzard first of all and I have no firewall up but I'm on a school network so i get throttled
oh good idea
I'll do that
3:34 PM Thebius: ooo your school blocks bittorrent?
me: yeah
Thebius: that blows lol
me: although the patcher works great
for some reason
I was getting like 500 mb/s
kb/s
rather
lol
3:35 PM Thebius: on wow? yeah if you get lucky you connect to their http server
there so cheap lol
so were you able to play df at all?
my buddies a mahirim but i was thinking of going alfar
3:36 PM becoming a pirate like in the good ol' days of uo lol
me: I was able to play yeah and I was thinking of re-rolling but I didn't wanna waste my gear and gold
3:37 PM Thebius: what race were you again?
3:38 PM me: mahirim
um dude I just saw this on the wow site: Note: This answer to your Secret Question is the ONLY way you can receive an automated password reset. Please ensure you use an answer that you will remember-- if you are unable to match this answer exactly in the future, you may be unable to recover your account password if it becomes lost or stolen!
Thebius: well thats
an automated password reset
i'd give you the secret answer
...
you can change password if you have the original password though
3:39 PM just not if you get hacked
me: yeah but you could reset it I mean so I could login to the account and see the chars
before you give me the secret question
3:40 PM Thebius: i'd give you the secret question and everything all at once...
duh lol
3:41 PM me: but I'm saying I could verify the account has the chars before you did it so I'm safe and you're safe
Thebius: the matter is still that i dont want to give it before war
me: I don't know how to work this out you have absolutely no proof of the chars :\
Thebius: but i dont trust the blizzard syste
*system
but i mean i dooo
3:42 PM dohhhh
this is such an intense transaction haha
me: if you read the MD safe trade wiki you'll see it says armory links are not proof
lol yeah sorry
3:43 PM Thebius: well are there any other official sites i can do this on
?
idk
me: not that I'm aware of cause you can just pop another chars name into any one i've seen
3:44 PM omg the wow patcher is going sooo slow ._.
Thebius: well i dont want to take sly angles but...
maybe tasos will release more copies and then my war account iwll be worth more haha
3:45 PM i dont know man
i wish i had money so i could just buy it off of you
me: well I want your accounts honestly
I'd prefer it over money at this point since i'm looking for a WAR account and wow account anyways lol
3:46 PM Thebius: i'm so played out of wow
my eyes will explode
me: I bet with all those 80's. lol
Thebius: if i play that game
me: um.. do you have the WAR discs?
Thebius: well they actually made leveling a lot easier
like quests in the 30s range give a ton more exp
3:47 PM but i did all the hardcore leveling before that easy [censored]
so theres tons of newbs with 80s now
nah i preordred it
from direct2drive
3:48 PM btw i forgot to mention the war account has those perks
me: and you don't have the client anymore?
Thebius: from pre-ordering and crap
me: do you trust anyone enough to log into your WAR account for you?
Thebius: well my war account doesnt have time on it
3:50 PM maybe i pressed printscreen accidently and have as screenshot lying around in my pictures?
let me scour my comp</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thebius Rebius
to me
show details 5:16 PM (1 hour ago)
Reply
3:51 PM Thebius: woops sorry clicked out by accident
3:52 PM brb getting some water
me: k
3:54 PM Thebius: ok
3:55 PM me: do you possibly have some screens of your wow chars lying around? I just need some kind of proof and atm I have none :\
Thebius: do you know where screenshots are stored? would it be out of the wow folder?
3:56 PM im a newb when it comes to screenies lol
i think i actually bind my printscreen ingame omg this is cursed
3:57 PM me: i would assume it would be somewhere in your wow folder although i dunno
Thebius: well my wow folder is gone
let me check
documents and [censored]
3:59 PM essays and porn lol
4:00 PM askin a guildie
4:01 PM me: lol well the unfortunate thing for me is when we exchange the info I don't find out if the accounts actually have anything until I download everything and log in
Thebius: my relations areent that great atm lol
me: hah
4:03 PM Thebius: well i dont know man i cant find a screenshot
4:06 PM some dude just emailed me selling a DF account for 75. do you want to do this or should i try to sell my [censored] and buy it from him you think?
or do you want to buy anything?
lol
4:07 PM me: wait i found out something
Thebius: whats up
me: you can show that its yoru char by logging into the armory!
and take a screen
do something like go into your guildbank
4:08 PM or just show me that you're logged in for that matter
and go to your char list
Thebius: ??
how do i do that
me: go to wow armory
and login
its an official blizzard thing
I didn't realize that
so once you're logged in
Thebius: yea lol
me: go to my characters
and take a screen of that page
4:09 PM then we're all good!
seriously you're going to just have to trust me I have the darkfall info ready...
Thebius: ok let me figure this out
4:14 PM me: got it?
9 minutes
4:23 PM me: hello?
Thebius: [censored] hold on im sorry phone
ill be right back
4:24 PM me: np
26 minutes
4:50 PM Thebius: yo
sorry my mom was having some issues
sending now
4:52 PM me: sweet
4:54 PM keybump? that's different than the name on your previous account screenshot
4:55 PM Thebius: thats a character
my login is sundraziw
you know how you log in the forums
as a character?
me: mine just says my login at the top
4:56 PM Thebius: did you create any characters?
lol
me: no lol
Thebius: well there you go
ok do you want to do as planned then now?
finally?!?!?
me: ok well lets do it
lol
4:57 PM Thebius: ok im so excited
ready?
me: ya
Thebius: warhammer login: *******
password: **********
me: wheres the account page lol
4:58 PM nvm found it
one sec
Thebius: please dont rip me off
me: lol chill man
loggin in now
Thebius: ok
4:59 PM and?
not scammed yet i hope
but a little ansy
me: cant login to patcher
5:00 PM Thebius: the account doesnt have time!
me: yeah but it says authenticaiton failed
Thebius: hmm
oh
change the password
from the main account
i forgot to change
the individual accounts
me: oh okay
Thebius: please leave daoc one tho
=D
me: np
5:01 PM cool workin
Thebius: yay
me: df info: b******, s**********
now the wow info?
5:02 PM Thebius: ok let me double check
the darkfall stuff now
me: k
Thebius: give me a sec
5:03 PM me: got in?
Thebius: hold on
i think i mispelled something
5:04 PM me: got it?
5:05 PM Thebius: hold on
double checking
5:06 PM me: ?
Thebius: ok now checking patcher
me: you can see that it has a char from patcher too
5:08 PM dude [censored] there is no 40 on the acct
5:09 PM Thebius: hmm?
me: looking at char transfer page
no 40
7 minutes
5:16 PM me: wow account details?
5:17 PM Thebius: one sec verifying content
me: dude that has nothing to do with the account
i need the wow details now
you lied about the WAR account
5:18 PM hello?</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Pictures/Screenshots: </span> above. i can provide more if necessary.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Other proof: </span>
<span style="color: #66FFFF"><span style="font-weight: bold">Additional Information</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Did you do any background searching before the trade?:</span> some
<span style="font-weight: bold">Have you traded with this person before?:</span> no
<span style="font-weight: bold">Approximately how many trades have you done on Markee Dragon?:</span> this is my 3rd
He gave me the war info, i logged into the account, saw that there were no 40's and contacted him. he didn't respond. I have no WoW account now and no darkfall account and a pretty much worthless WAR account.
Unlucky for him, he forgot to take his personal info out of the mythic master account so I have his home phone number, address, and full name.
this is his profile:
http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/users/111032/Irbatmanlulz
is there any action I can take? Thanks.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #33FF33">Information</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Date that scamming took place:</span> march 20, 2009
<span style="font-weight: bold">Method of Contact Used:</span> g-mail chat so i have a full log
<span style="font-weight: bold">Instant Messenger ID of scammer:</span> Thebius
<span style="font-weight: bold">Your Instant Messenger ID:</span> madison.ruppert
<span style="font-weight: bold">Markee Dragon Account of Scammer:</span> http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/users/111032/Irbatmanlulz
<span style="font-weight: bold">Other information: </span> see above. a lot of contact was made through emails.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FFFF00">Scam Information</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">What was scammed?: </span> my darkfall account
<span style="font-weight: bold">Link of trade thread:</span> http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2359623/Trading_a_selection_of_account
<span style="font-weight: bold">Approximate value of scammed property:</span> $100.00+
<span style="font-weight: bold">Was a middleman used?: </span> no
<span style="font-weight: bold">If yes, who?: </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Describe how you were scammed: </span> see above
<span style="font-weight: bold">Other details / notes:</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Proof</span></span> (You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be vailid)
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Chat Logs:</span> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2:51 PM Thebius: hey! can you see this?
2:52 PM me: hey yeah
2:53 PM one sec getting water i was on a jog
Thebius: ok
2:54 PM me: alright so I think I should check out the WoW account first for 2 reasons: it will be a lot faster for me to patch up the WoW client rather than download the whole WAR client from scratch, and I can't hijack the account because you have the secret question.
2:55 PM after I'm able to login to the account and see the chars the darkfall account is all yours. See there is no way to recall a darkfall account whatsoever thats why I'm being so cautious
and there is not a secret question thing either :\
2:57 PM Thebius: Yea I understand your reasoning. It's just I dont really have faith in the account recovery system, and also my WoW account is worth more than my WAR account, so you could just leave without feeling like you lost anything
if I trade you WAR first, then you are inclined to give me correct information to get the second part
(wow) which is more valuable
3 80s opposed to 1 40...
me: Wait dude I can't take your WoW account because I couldn't change the password even if i wanted to..
2:58 PM Thebius: what do you mean?
yes you could
me: in order to change the PW for WoW don't you need the secret question?
Thebius: no
me: are you sure?
2:59 PM Thebius: yes, i already changed the password from my universal one to prepare for this without any problems
you can google if you want
to double check
i'll wait
3:00 PM me: okay well I trust you on that... but do you understand my need to see the chars before I hand over the account? there is absolutely NO way that I can get back my darkfall account from you so if they're blank accounts I'm totally screwed
3:01 PM Thebius: yes I understand what your saying, but I think we both have a pretty equal risk
especially with me giving out information first
wouldn't you say?
me: not really dude b/c you could say you forgot your password and change your password back easily
and it would be linked to your email
Thebius: you can change the email immediately
3:02 PM me: I mean we could go through this on the phone or something if it made you more comfortable
Thebius: want me to take a screenshot of the contact editing thing?
3:03 PM as soon as I give you my password and username
which I can do as soon as you agree to this
me: no i believe you... but I just can't give you the account until I know the chars are on your account... how can I gain your trust to let me just login to the char select screen? I mean you would be able to have me never do a trade on MD ever again, and send a request to blizzard that it got hacked and submit a police report even because you have my full name
Thebius: you can change everything and have access
me: I don't need to change everything dude don't worry
3:04 PM Thebius: but you can I will even give you a a couple minutes
if you want
me: I just wanna see the chars to make sure then I will change it I'm not scamming you
Thebius: im so desperate
for this df account lol
ugh this is pretty tough haha
3:05 PM me: I understand totally.. as was I but my new system won't play it for some reason which sucks so hard
Thebius: I really think me going first with warhammer is as much of a risk as I can take
i mean if i lose my warhammer account
thats like maybe 100 bucks idk
me: I can give you my home and school addresses and my personal phone number.. everything you would need to file a police report over it
Thebius: but I've spent litterly like 400 days
3:06 PM on my wow account
if i loose that
i'll feel like an idiot
and if you don't steal my warhammer account
me: first you won't lose it, second it would take me so long to download the WAR client in order to login and see the chars then hand over the df acct
3:07 PM Thebius: well i'm exchanging the account information
for your information
i'd expect the darkfall information right away anyway
so
i have a window
to change my war password
3:08 PM me: wait heres a solution: you could give me the password to patch up, change the password immediately, I patch, login with a new pw, you change it again, I look at the chars then you get the df account
that way I wouldn't have the password longer than I needed to just log in, ya know?
Thebius: the password for what?
3:09 PM me: wow since the time that it would take for me to patch it would be INFINITELY less than WAR since I would be d/ling 11 gbs or whatever
Thebius: but you could just log in to my account management site and change it instantly
get where i'm coming from?
haha
3:10 PM what's valuable about the information both of us have is being able to go to the account management site
me: you can refresh the page, and we could even talk over the phone while I'm doing it, I couldn't do it fast enough to [censored] you over man
Thebius: first thing I'm doing when I get your information will be change it
me: and no its really the chars for me :\
well of course I would expect you to
Thebius: yea
me: does it list your chars on the site or something?
Thebius: well i mean to say it's just a quick process
3:11 PM i wish
that'd be perfect
i could take a screenshot
[censored]
lol
me: I have a solution!
3:12 PM take a screenshot of the account page with the account name, have a friend with the WoW client login to the char select screen, take a screen shot, and then I would know the chars are on the account!
3:13 PM Thebius: that seems like a good idea I just don't know who to trust at all with my information
that still
has wow
that is
me: [censored]
Thebius: maybe one of my friends has a better reputation and can do it with you on MD or something?
3:14 PM idk
3:15 PM me: i think you could change the password faster than I could change all the info on your account you know?
Thebius: eh
but ive been practicing
on the darkfall website
and i have to change
so much [censored]
me: well you can put in a [censored] CC
like 41111111111111
3:16 PM which is what I did already and changed the pw from my universal one
Thebius: yeah but i mean i cant even change the password
without entering a new cc
at least you can buy yourself 3 minutes
by blocking me out
lol
me: what?
Thebius: warhammer account is really siimple
3:17 PM to change pass
you just type in new password
twice
and boom
me: okay look: wow has good support for account hackings and [censored]
darkfall has none at this point
Thebius: i don tknow about that though
me: my friend got his wow account back after someone recalled their paypal payment
cause he still had the secret question
3:18 PM Thebius: yeah one of my friends got their account hacked and all there chars deleted
and waited 2 months
and didnt get [censored]
me: and the CD keys and eveyrhting that makes it obvious he was the original owner
Thebius: called them
me: why would I delete those chars lol
Thebius: and billing said to email
idk i guess this guy had vendored
all this [censored]
and they got the account back
but with nothing on it
the actual chars werent deleted
3:19 PM me: yeah that sucks but I would never strip those chars it would be worthless seeing as its like an all gear based game
the chars are worth so much more than the gold so that would just be idiotic
Thebius: yeah i just am not going to trust anyone with that off the bat
3:20 PM i've learned my lesson with blizzard over the years lol
at least i wouldnt feel like a complete moron
if i lost my warhammer account
me: do you have to enter the secret question in order to have the password reset?
3:21 PM Thebius: i'm not even sure if warhammer itself has a secret question system like wow
since the master account is inititally bound with daoc
let me check
ill test it
3:22 PM me: I was talking about WoW sorry
Thebius: oh
no you don't need to enter a question
oooh wait
you mean if the account is stolen?
or to change the password?
to change the password you just login
and change the password
me: I mean when you click "forgot password" and it resets it
3:23 PM Thebius: let me see
i'm pretty sure it just sends a password to registered email
double checking
3:24 PM me: how can I get you to trust me that I'm not gonna change the contact info?
Thebius: well of the wow account
3:25 PM me: cause either way I can't do this trade without proof that there are chars on the account
Thebius: idk man
i'd need to really see that you didnt scvrew me over wtih war first
hm
me: dude you can give me the account info and I won't even login to WAR... would that be satisfactory?
Thebius: well i guess we're getting no where until i can find a screenshot somehow?
me: just to prove that I'm not gonna scam you
3:26 PM Thebius: man
me: dude my client is 2.0 how do I patch to 2.4?
Thebius: did you download the burning crusade [censored]?
3:27 PM it should automatically update, but sometimes its faster if you first manually dl bc
me: where do I get that?
yeah I'll do that first
you should start downloading DF by the way it takes forever
3:28 PM Thebius: outside of the account i forget
i did
i already have it
and everything
lol
ive had it
since a beta leak
on torrent
i'm like seriously
going insane here
me: oh theres a newer client
Thebius: yeah
i downloaded that too
all i need
me: lol
Thebius: is an active account
to get the new updates via patcher
lol
me: http://files.filefront.com/World+of+Warcraft+v240+US+Patch/;9883654;/fileinfo.html
3:29 PM will that get me from 2.0 to 2.4?
Thebius: let me see
me: I have 2.4 to 3.0
Thebius: damn 2.0 sounds really old i think we're at 3.09 now
me: yeah but if I get up to 3.0 it shouldn't be too long to patch up right
3:30 PM Thebius: well you have to download wotlk too
but thats not too big
yeah man i forget where all that [censored] is
3:31 PM me: im finding it
on wowwiki.com
Thebius: but if you give me your df info you can dl it easy =D lol
ya
theres [censored] somewhere
it's just a lot easier from account
maybe i can get link
from my account for you
one sec
3:32 PM me: I'm downloading the 2.4 patch and it says its going to take 5 HOURS!
Thebius: yea it kinda takes a while lol but it speeds up
blizzard uses some retarded torrent system
check your firewall settings, that actually affects dl speed for blizz patches
3:33 PM ok yeah you need to be logged in to access teh wotlk [censored], but you should be able to start it as a trial
me: well its not from blizzard first of all and I have no firewall up but I'm on a school network so i get throttled
oh good idea
I'll do that
3:34 PM Thebius: ooo your school blocks bittorrent?
me: yeah
Thebius: that blows lol
me: although the patcher works great
for some reason
I was getting like 500 mb/s
kb/s
rather
lol
3:35 PM Thebius: on wow? yeah if you get lucky you connect to their http server
there so cheap lol
so were you able to play df at all?
my buddies a mahirim but i was thinking of going alfar
3:36 PM becoming a pirate like in the good ol' days of uo lol
me: I was able to play yeah and I was thinking of re-rolling but I didn't wanna waste my gear and gold
3:37 PM Thebius: what race were you again?
3:38 PM me: mahirim
um dude I just saw this on the wow site: Note: This answer to your Secret Question is the ONLY way you can receive an automated password reset. Please ensure you use an answer that you will remember-- if you are unable to match this answer exactly in the future, you may be unable to recover your account password if it becomes lost or stolen!
Thebius: well thats
an automated password reset
i'd give you the secret answer
...
you can change password if you have the original password though
3:39 PM just not if you get hacked
me: yeah but you could reset it I mean so I could login to the account and see the chars
before you give me the secret question
3:40 PM Thebius: i'd give you the secret question and everything all at once...
duh lol
3:41 PM me: but I'm saying I could verify the account has the chars before you did it so I'm safe and you're safe
Thebius: the matter is still that i dont want to give it before war
me: I don't know how to work this out you have absolutely no proof of the chars :\
Thebius: but i dont trust the blizzard syste
*system
but i mean i dooo
3:42 PM dohhhh
this is such an intense transaction haha
me: if you read the MD safe trade wiki you'll see it says armory links are not proof
lol yeah sorry
3:43 PM Thebius: well are there any other official sites i can do this on
?
idk
me: not that I'm aware of cause you can just pop another chars name into any one i've seen
3:44 PM omg the wow patcher is going sooo slow ._.
Thebius: well i dont want to take sly angles but...
maybe tasos will release more copies and then my war account iwll be worth more haha
3:45 PM i dont know man
i wish i had money so i could just buy it off of you
me: well I want your accounts honestly
I'd prefer it over money at this point since i'm looking for a WAR account and wow account anyways lol
3:46 PM Thebius: i'm so played out of wow
my eyes will explode
me: I bet with all those 80's. lol
Thebius: if i play that game
me: um.. do you have the WAR discs?
Thebius: well they actually made leveling a lot easier
like quests in the 30s range give a ton more exp
3:47 PM but i did all the hardcore leveling before that easy [censored]
so theres tons of newbs with 80s now
nah i preordred it
from direct2drive
3:48 PM btw i forgot to mention the war account has those perks
me: and you don't have the client anymore?
Thebius: from pre-ordering and crap
me: do you trust anyone enough to log into your WAR account for you?
Thebius: well my war account doesnt have time on it
3:50 PM maybe i pressed printscreen accidently and have as screenshot lying around in my pictures?
let me scour my comp</div></div>
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3:51 PM Thebius: woops sorry clicked out by accident
3:52 PM brb getting some water
me: k
3:54 PM Thebius: ok
3:55 PM me: do you possibly have some screens of your wow chars lying around? I just need some kind of proof and atm I have none :\
Thebius: do you know where screenshots are stored? would it be out of the wow folder?
3:56 PM im a newb when it comes to screenies lol
i think i actually bind my printscreen ingame omg this is cursed
3:57 PM me: i would assume it would be somewhere in your wow folder although i dunno
Thebius: well my wow folder is gone
let me check
documents and [censored]
3:59 PM essays and porn lol
4:00 PM askin a guildie
4:01 PM me: lol well the unfortunate thing for me is when we exchange the info I don't find out if the accounts actually have anything until I download everything and log in
Thebius: my relations areent that great atm lol
me: hah
4:03 PM Thebius: well i dont know man i cant find a screenshot
4:06 PM some dude just emailed me selling a DF account for 75. do you want to do this or should i try to sell my [censored] and buy it from him you think?
or do you want to buy anything?
lol
4:07 PM me: wait i found out something
Thebius: whats up
me: you can show that its yoru char by logging into the armory!
and take a screen
do something like go into your guildbank
4:08 PM or just show me that you're logged in for that matter
and go to your char list
Thebius: ??
how do i do that
me: go to wow armory
and login
its an official blizzard thing
I didn't realize that
so once you're logged in
Thebius: yea lol
me: go to my characters
and take a screen of that page
4:09 PM then we're all good!
seriously you're going to just have to trust me I have the darkfall info ready...
Thebius: ok let me figure this out
4:14 PM me: got it?
9 minutes
4:23 PM me: hello?
Thebius: [censored] hold on im sorry phone
ill be right back
4:24 PM me: np
26 minutes
4:50 PM Thebius: yo
sorry my mom was having some issues
sending now
4:52 PM me: sweet
4:54 PM keybump? that's different than the name on your previous account screenshot
4:55 PM Thebius: thats a character
my login is sundraziw
you know how you log in the forums
as a character?
me: mine just says my login at the top
4:56 PM Thebius: did you create any characters?
lol
me: no lol
Thebius: well there you go
ok do you want to do as planned then now?
finally?!?!?
me: ok well lets do it
lol
4:57 PM Thebius: ok im so excited
ready?
me: ya
Thebius: warhammer login: *******
password: **********
me: wheres the account page lol
4:58 PM nvm found it
one sec
Thebius: please dont rip me off
me: lol chill man
loggin in now
Thebius: ok
4:59 PM and?
not scammed yet i hope
but a little ansy
me: cant login to patcher
5:00 PM Thebius: the account doesnt have time!
me: yeah but it says authenticaiton failed
Thebius: hmm
oh
change the password
from the main account
i forgot to change
the individual accounts
me: oh okay
Thebius: please leave daoc one tho
=D
me: np
5:01 PM cool workin
Thebius: yay
me: df info: b******, s**********
now the wow info?
5:02 PM Thebius: ok let me double check
the darkfall stuff now
me: k
Thebius: give me a sec
5:03 PM me: got in?
Thebius: hold on
i think i mispelled something
5:04 PM me: got it?
5:05 PM Thebius: hold on
double checking
5:06 PM me: ?
Thebius: ok now checking patcher
me: you can see that it has a char from patcher too
5:08 PM dude [censored] there is no 40 on the acct
5:09 PM Thebius: hmm?
me: looking at char transfer page
no 40
7 minutes
5:16 PM me: wow account details?
5:17 PM Thebius: one sec verifying content
me: dude that has nothing to do with the account
i need the wow details now
you lied about the WAR account
5:18 PM hello?</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Pictures/Screenshots: </span> above. i can provide more if necessary.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Other proof: </span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Did you do any background searching before the trade?:</span> some
<span style="font-weight: bold">Have you traded with this person before?:</span> no
<span style="font-weight: bold">Approximately how many trades have you done on Markee Dragon?:</span> this is my 3rd
