Infraction Dispute / Thread deletion dispute

[Glica]

Deleted Thread in question: http://www.epicnpc.com/wow-items-go...d-services-us-eu-us-wow-60-day-game-time.html

I showed sw1x, my original thread and it was approved.

Related rule thread:
http://www.epicnpc.com/wow-items-go...-buy-sell/379803-no-credit-card-services.html

Rule thread states:

If you READ my thread / previous thread that was approved, it clearly says I don't need your account information, nor is it a credit card service. I am selling gift codes that can't be bought at any retail store or blizzard store, it cannot be reversed in any way. Check my feedback / original thread, see how many people bought from me, and notice how none of them had any problems buying a code from me.

This is NOT a credit card service, I do NOT log into your battle.net account under any circumstances. A buyer sends me payment, I give them the gift code, and he uses the gift code on his account (refer to the picture above, this is how you use the gift code)

 

[Geek]

Those services are generally not allowed. I've brought this up to Mike personally and he simply said no, No matter the method they are obtained.
It was only about paypal related services though, Nothing to do with gift codes.

 

[Glica]

Those services are generally not allowed. I've brought this up to Mike personally and he simply said no, No matter the method they are obtained.
It was only about paypal related services though, Nothing to do with gift codes.

Right... I'm not selling a service - I'm selling a gift code, I do NOT log into your account to use it, the buyer who buys the code uses on his account. I believe the misunderstanding is that, you think I have to login to your account to use it, which is not allowed. The rule for no credit card services was made because of people who originally offered services using carded/stolen credit cards and get paypal or some other sort of payment, which leads to the said offered service to be reversed which turns into a scam. This is a completely different thing -- it's the same thing as selling a 60-day pre-paid game card or any other product key related thing on the wow forums (i.e. wow mop, cataclysm, battlechest cd-keys)

Selling a product key =/= selling a service, might as well close 75% of the threads in the general wow usa forum, anything that's involves a key being traded should be closed & infracted, based on what you're saying -- selling a code/key = service

 

[Geek]

How is it a service..? I'm selling a gift code, I do NOT log into your account to use it, the buyer who buys the code uses on his account. I believe the misunderstanding is that, you think I have to login to your account to use it, which is not allowed. The rule for no credit card services was made because of people who originally offered services using carded/stolen credit cards and get paypal or some other sort of payment, which leads to the said offered service to be reversed which turns into a scam. This is a completely different thing -- it's the same thing as selling a 60-day pre-paid game card or any other product key related thing on the wow forums (i.e. wow mop, cataclysm, battlechest cd-keys)

I did not personally give the infraction but I understand the reason for it.

I personally agree that paid services (and gift codes for paid services) should be allowed as they can be obtained without credit cards now, But this is not my site and I do not make the rules

 

[Glica]

I did not personally give the infraction but I understand the reason for it.

I personally agree that paid services (and gift codes for paid services) should be allowed as they can be obtained without credit cards now, But this is not my site and I do not make the rules

Mike isn't the one who closed my thread, or is he? I'm not sure who Mike is -- is that EpicNPC or Roflchops? This thread was approved by another SMOD as it's not a "service", it's the same thing as cd-key selling and pre-paid game time selling.

 

[Geek]

Mike isn't the one who closed my thread, or is he? I'm not sure who Mike is -- is that EpicNPC or Roflchops? This thread was approved by another SMOD as it's not a "service", it's the same thing as cd-key selling and pre-paid game time selling.

Mike is EpicNpc, The owner and big cheese.

Roflchops is a supermod.

 

[Glica]

Mike is EpicNpc, The owner and big cheese.

Mike isn't the one who closed my thread though. Is this not the forum that's being used for disputes that's unrelated to scams?

 

[Geek]

Mike isn't the one who closed my thread though. Is this not the forum that's being used for disputes that's unrelated to scams?

He will eventually chime in with his decision.

You posted in the itrader dispute section, Which is for reputation disputing, I'll move it to the correct section.

 

[Glica]

He will eventually chime in with his decision.

I got scammed before selling these codes and posted a thread with proof on the forums. EpicNPC took care of it and didn't say anything regarding selling gift codes being not allowed before? I find it unlikely that he just randomly says I can't sell these codes if he didn't say anything before?
Related thread: http://www.epicnpc.com/resolved-disputes/[email protected]

 

[Geek]

I got scammed before selling these codes and posted a thread with proof on the forums. EpicNPC took care of it and didn't say anything regarding selling gift codes being not allowed before? I find it unlikely that he just randomly says I can't sell these codes if he didn't say anything before?
Related thread: http://www.epicnpc.com/resolved-disputes/515970-dispute-report-%40-pstbranko.html

I imagine some of the supermods will post here eventually, But yeah just hang out and wait for EpicNpc to post, He has the final say in everything.

 

[Glica]

Regardless, I can't seem to find anywhere, where I broke a rule? Did I offer a credit card service? No.

The thread that upholds the credit card service rule is here: http://www.epicnpc.com/wow-items-go...-buy-sell/379803-no-credit-card-services.html

Why was I infracted & thread deleted for a rule that doesn't exist or because a SMOD has a different opinion than another SMOD, or how a SMOD interprets the rule differently than everyone else? This is literally the exact same thing as selling a world of warcraft 60-day prepaid game time and wow expansion cd-keys. Technically wow expansion keys can be bought with a stolen credit card through the blizzard store -- how do you differentiate the good sellers and the people who are carding them? Why not close their threads for the potential risk? Those CAN be bought with a stolen credit card, mine is not bought. It is handed out to employees of the company as a employee perk. I, for one, know several employees who don't use these codes.

I will wait for other responses

Thank you for your responses though

 

[Sakura]

I'm literally walking out the door but as far as I know selling the codes is allowed.

But if Mike has said before that the codes are not "kosher" so to speak I'm going to stick with that.

In the end, the same thing as has been stated before : Let Mike (EpicNPC) in here to give the final ruling.

 

[Glica]

I'm literally walking out the door but as far as I know selling the codes is allowed.

But if Mike has said before that the codes are not "kosher" so to speak I'm going to stick with that.

In the end, the same thing as has been stated before : Let Mike (EpicNPC) in here to give the final ruling.

Thank you for your response. I honestly think Roflchops is just interpreting the no credit card services differently and didn't fully read my thread on how I'm selling codes, not logging into the buyer's account.

 

[Geek]

I'm literally walking out the door but as far as I know selling the codes is allowed.

But if Mike has said before that the codes are not "kosher" so to speak I'm going to stick with that.

In the end, the same thing as has been stated before : Let Mike (EpicNPC) in here to give the final ruling.

When Mike said no to the services, It was because I asked if they should be allowed based on the fact they could be obtained through paypal also and not just credit cards,
So gift codes were never mentioned. I'm interested to see what he says.

 

[Austin Powers]

Glica i apologise i have reversed the infraction and re-instated your thread. The reasons i did those 2 actions were the fact that i remember us moderators having a talk about something like this before and we all agreed that those type of things were not allowed, however we had a chat about a different matter and were not blizzard employee gift codes. Again my apologies. I will also like to see mike's response to this matter involving the allowing of the gift codes.

 

[Glica]

When Mike said no to the services, It was because I asked if they should be allowed based on the fact they could be obtained through paypal also and not just credit cards,
So gift codes were never mentioned. I'm interested to see what he says.

Just to reiterate, you can't buy these codes from anywhere, so there's no chance of this being carded or reversed. They're given to employees by Blizzard -- one of many perks being employed at Blizzard Entertainment. Some employees have no use for the codes, so they give to friends, or re-sell them, or give it to friends who re-sell them for them, etc.

Like I said, not a credit card service or requires login information

Glica i apologise i have reversed the infraction and re-instated your thread. The reasons i did those 2 actions were the fact that i remember us moderators having a talk about something like this before and we all agreed that those type of things were not allowed, however we had a chat about a different matter and were not blizzard employee gift codes. Again my apologies. I will also like to see mike's response to this matter involving the allowing of the gift codes.

thank you!

 

[EpicNPC]

It seems this rule in general needs updating as many of these things can now be purchased without a CC.

For now your thread is fine, we'll discuss this in the mod forum and the rules will be updated in a few days.