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Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Information
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Date that sale/trade took place: 2017/7/8
Method of Contact Used: Private message via Epicnpc
Instant Messenger ID of other party: nickname on IM client
Your Instant Messenger ID: [email protected]
EpicNPC Account of other party: Jackieson
Other information:

Sale/Trade Information
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What was bought, sold or traded? League of Legends account
Link of transaction thread: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1155181-Gold-V-124-Champions-8-Runepages-115-Skins
Approximate value of property: $60 USD

Was a middleman used?: None
If yes, who?
Describe why you believe the feedback is wrong: I sold and account and the transaction was done. Came back today that he was scammed? he didn't open any dispute or anything just decided to leave a negative feedback.
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Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs:
Jackieson: yo i wanna buy the account. Send me pics of account on the client of skins and champs and i will buy.
Me: Can you give me your skype so i can send it over there
Jackieson:
i would but i dont even have a skype lol just send it in this convo please
Me:
its gonna take a bit cuz i have to switch my client from KR to NA, but apparently it doesnt just switch, so gimmie one sec
Jackieson: is the account NA?
Me: Account's from NA, but I have my League as KR server and since they have a separate server, I have to re-download the NA server to show you. I just moved here for a job, so bare with me with these technical issues
Jackieson: its all good bro
Me: champion list ish: [sent screenshot] some skins i own, note the lux, gp and jayce [another screenshot]
Me: There isn't a way to effectively show what skins i own lol, so lmk if you have any skins you want to see
Me: full champ list [screenshot]
Jackieson: you care to send me one more pic with skins i just wanna make sure sorry lol
Jackieson: oh my bad i didnt see that you said the message above nvm but yes i wanna buy
Me: sure my paypal is [email protected] 60 usd as F&F or as merchant with fees included please.
or if you have MM let me know
Jackieson:
ok ill just pay you $60 in full​
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Me:
Okay lmk when the payment is made
Jackieson:​
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i sent you the money
Me:​
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Just saw it, the account is [account detail]
Jackieson:​
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Thanks man!!
Me: [I received the account change mail so i sent him this]​
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Jackieson: ​
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[INDENT][INDENT]you care if you give me the passcode taht league just sent to your email i want to change the email and pass if you dont mind
Jackieson: ​

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[B][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]Oh that was fast lol Thanks again bro​

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Me:
[B][B][B][INDENT][INDENT]Can you leave feedback, it can be found on my profile > view all feedback > submit feedback on the right side
Jackieson:
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[B][B][B][INDENT][INDENT]it says this when i try:
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Jackieson, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:


  1. Your account does not have privileges to access this page.
  2. Your account may not be activated.
  3. Feedback & Trade Guardian: You have to verify a phone number first

Me:
[B][B][B][B][INDENT][INDENT]Oh youre not phone verified, can you verify your phone and leave a feedback?
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Jackieson: what would i put for deal url
Jackieson: nvm its done:)
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Did you do any background searching before the trade? No info about him
Have you traded with this person before? No
Approximately how many trades have you done on EpicNPC ? (optional)
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He didn't bother messaging me to ask what happened or anything, would have helped him out if anything went wrong, but yeah... uh, the account in question: [url]https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=studentloan[/url]

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He changed the username after i posted this thread, please ignore the link to op.gg thanks.
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Serious question; how does one distinguish between account recall and password change? If the account was recalled, do they get a different type of email from password change (i.e account recovery vs password change)?
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
You no longer have the account? Can you provide the admins and I with the email you were given?
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me


He claims that the password all of sudden changed, keep in mind that he changed the email address before changing the password so that there was no way I had control over the account. Unless the account was recovered, I don't think the account could have magically changed its password.

Can you please provide me with the email that you got please?
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
This was part of my proof quote:
Me: [I received the account change mail so i sent him this]
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Jackieson:


[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]you care if you give me the passcode taht league just sent to your email i want to change the email and pass if you dont mind
Jackieson:


[B][B][COLOR=#C1C1C1][I][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]Oh that was fast lol Thanks again bro
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you can easily gain your account back if you sold it to someone bc you have the credentials for the account when it was created and the original username and password so no one else could have done this but you... This is ridiculous my $60 gone down the drain bc of you...

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*****[email protected] - Thats the email its under now

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i gave you negative feedback bc you scammed me........
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Well like I said, if there's any changes to the account, they send you the mail. The account recovery takes minimum 3~5 business days because riot needs to go through everything and see if the account info is matched with the infos provided by the requested person. I don't know maybe riot's been upping their work, but I don't see how they've got the request done so fast and have the account recovered. Anyways, it is to my knowledge that you receive a mail when the account gets recovered? (correct me if I'm wrong)

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wait how did you know the email address that's being used now? So you did get some sort of email address? can you please show us the email?
 
Yes you're wrong. I didnt recieve an email when somone else recovered the account and i will not be able to get it back bc you have the credentials for the original username and password so they will not give the account back to someone if they bought the account from someone... Thats why on their website they say not to buy accounts bc you can easily get scammed in like three different ways so congratz bro you got me...

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im still logged in on the league of legends website but not on the client bc the password is changed... Ive been logged in on the website since i bought the account but i have no access to do anything on there since i dont have the email and pass anymore. Thats the email its says it is under now
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
But you clearly told us
*****[email protected] - Thats the email its under now
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You somehow got this from an email or something, how the hell did you know this when you claim that you don't have any access to the account?
 
it says it on the website..... on account protection bc im still logged in on the website... It never logged me out

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how do i send a screenshot on here to show you... i cant believe you're acting like you had nothing to do with this
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Ah beg your pardon.
Well here's my stance. I don't really know how all the recovery process works but it's to my knowledge that the account recovery, or any kind of request for that matter, really can't be done within 24 hours, let alone confirming the details provided by the recalled user.
So my I call this "account recovery" thing bullshit; Riot even assigning the right rioter takes about a day and each replies take anywhere between an hour to a day, and as far as i know rioters will ask basically EVERYTHING to assist the recovery process. I really don't think riot would be able to help the person within 24 hours to get the account recovery done.
Honestly, this is why I wanted to get your skype if you had one so when **** like this happens I can help you with it. I even offered if you wanted Middleman service (if that means anything), I just don't get why you would go ahead and give me a negative feedback? Like you could have opened a proper dispute first and then deal with this.
 
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you're wasting my damn time over your actions..... You're disgusting bro

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if they have the original username and password they can get their account back easily.... basically you could say your account got hacked for 2 days (bc thats how long i had it) and provide them the right credentials from when the account was created or the original username email and pass you can get your account back easily......

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stop saying "your stance" you dont have one... No one else could have done this except you.. My account didnt just get randomly hacked for the 2 days i had it after i just bought it from someone...

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skype wouldnt have stopped you from scamming me... lol this is ridiculous you're negative feedback is staying bc i now dont have my account bc of you and my $60 is gone.
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
You don't understand, I don't get how this is "wasting your time"? I feel like you just want to get this over quickly so that you can rip me off?
It's easy for someone to claim that the account is no longer in their control and as a seller, it's impossible to provide any kind of proof because well, the account is no longer of my property and all the access has left me.
So that's why I'm trying to defend myself, it's too easy to just call it "account was recovered" and call it a day on your end and make the seller a scammer.
Admins, please let me know if I can do anything more to help with this investigation; I wasn't aware that this was a "scam" accusation and thought the buyer just made a mistake or something.

Skype wouldn't have helped? you didn't even bother messaging me when the account was supposedly "taken away" from you. Skype would have been the bridge between you and I to communicate what the hell had happened?
Look, leave this to the admin to figure out because we're just barking at each other. I've given the full convo over to the admins and there's really nothing I can do and apparently you didn't receive any mails or anything so leave it at this, okay?
 
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"I feel like you just want to get this over quickly so that you can rip me off?" Rip you off?? You got your account back and my $60 how tf am i ripping you off?? Do you not understand that the account couldnt have been recovered by some random person.. It had to have been you.... You're saying i dont have proof of this??? Thats ******* ridiculous dude

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i wouldnt even be ******* talking to you or leaving you negative feedback if it wasnt for my account being recovered by you..

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You scammed me dude lol stop acting like you have no clue whats going on its honestly disgusting.. I'm done talking to you there's no point bc im not getting my account back. I hope you have a **** day sir
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
You don't, you physically don't have any mails given out from riot saying that the account is now back to the original owner or anything. I thought you'd get some sort of notification when the account gets recovered away from you but apparently not. You could have changed the password yourself or hell, just bullshit the entire thing and say that the account is no longer with you. All I can call out from you is that the account recovery was done WAY too fast and honestly, that'ts it. I don't have the account info, I don't have anything to do with that account and quite frankly, if you don't have the account info with you then the account is forever lost I guess?
You're power-suggesting that I recovered the account but I didn't; I really didn't "recall" the account. I live in South motherflipping Korea and I have no use with NA accounts. The ping I get from SK is anywhere between 160ms to 230ms. Why the hell would I keep an NA account? might as well sell it and make profit out of it.
If you want to verify that I live in Korea (and not use some vpn), I can happily give you my phone number or admins can call me or something.
 
If it was done way too fast then why do i not have the account!!! Stop acting like i'm bullshitting you for no reason...

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Why tf would i give you negative feedback and me still have the account.... I wouldnt be talking to you right now if i didnt have the account... God you're an idiot.

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Had the account*

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i can even show you a ticket i submitted yesterday about the scam lol im not bullshitting for no reason so please stop making a stupid accusation like that
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Because for account recovery cases the seller has to provide a refund or a second account equivalent to it. You know it very well and that's what you want to get.
There's a clear motivation behind your action and it's to win the case and get the free 60 dollars from me AND keep the account yourself.
Stop trying to act all innocent, you know it too well to just call it account recovered and rip the seller off with either a 60 dollar or an account with equal value.

Why didn't you just show the ticket in first place? that's clearly an evidence that could have been presented, please indicate the date that was sent and put the screenshot here. If it's too hard for you just go to imgur or something and post it there and link the image here.
 
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All i am is innocent... I dont have my $60 or my account now... I dont even care about getting my account and money back i just want either my money or my account back but it looks like thats not gonna happen bc i cant prove someone taking my account from me.. There isnt a possible way. They don't send you an email when the account email and password has been changed since i wasnt the original owner or i would have got one..

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like i said.. i sent this yesterday
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Jackieson said:
All i am is innocent... I dont have my $60 or my account now... I dont even care about getting my account and money back i just want either my money or my account back but it looks like thats not gonna happen bc i cant prove someone taking my account from me.. There isnt a possible way. They don't send you an email when the account email and password has been changed since i wasnt the original owner or i would have got one..
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You don't care about getting your account and money back. That's what you stated. All of sudden the next sentence, the VERY next sentence you say that you either want the money ore the account back. The motivation is so clear; you want the free money/account from me AND have the original account used during our initial transaction too.
See, the whole "account recovery" thing is such a gray-area thing because apparently you don't get any emails back or anything.
You COULD have talked to me first about it, I could have done my very best to help you out but you decided to leave a negative feedback.
You COULD have provided us with the ticket you sent after the account was supposedly "recovered". No emails presented with us as a proof still.
instead you decided to leave a negative feedback that I found odd and requested it to be removed since I wasn't alerted or anything; You instead called my action "reporting" and got all offended.
 
there is no way they will give me the account back when i had it for two days and they clearly tell you on their website to not buy accounts or something this will happen and i get scammed

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i cant help them not sending me an email about my account being recovered
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Look, read the mail yourself. It states that the response will "TAKE A LITTLE ONGER THAN NORMAL DUE TO A HIGH VOLUME OF REQUESTS". the account was sold on 5th, he played 5 ranked games which he managed to lose all of it, and the next day, the 7th, the account gets "recovered".
Logically, with the "HIGH VOLUME THAN NORMAL", the rioter can't respond to tickets and solve the issue within 24 hours. That's such horseshit.

and mate, you have your private email addresses and account info, you might want to erase all of that info.
 
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Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Oh you have your account; you just want to have a second account or 60 dollars back so that you can basically have my account for free.
 
Maybe it wasnt recovered idk it could have been hacked i guess but that seem impossible since i just bought this account and its weird that the email and password is changed againa and i no longer have access. It didnt just randomly get hacked after i JUST bought the account
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
Can you help me with that? What steps do I need to take to provide that the account was not recalled?
Like I don't have ANY access to the account, and since I didn't claim a recall, I don't have anything to give you.
Can I ask you, admin, to wait for the rioter response? If the account was truly recovered, wouldn't the rioter say something about it?
Like if the account was recovered then I'm guessing that they'll say something along the line that confirms it; otherwise they'll say "what the hell are you talking about the account's password was changed not recovered".

You know what, let me send an email as well.



Here's the mail confirming that I gave the passcode correctly and that I no longer have access to the account as well. I'm writing an email atm.

Maybe it wasnt recovered idk it could have been hacked i guess but that seem impossible since i just bought this account and its weird that the email and password is changed againa and i no longer have access. It didnt just randomly get hacked after i JUST bought the account
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HOLD ON HE IS NOW QUESTIONING IF IT'S RECOVERY OR NOT
 
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like i said the email has been changed on the account student loan which is the account you sold me correct??

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Cyborg you understand that if you sell an account you can easily submit a ticket to riot and get it back if you are the original owner and have the credentials to the original username and password right?? It clearly says that on their website...

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Thats why they tell you to not buy accounts....

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BTW i see that a game has been played since i lost my account and you went lucian?? Terrible build you need to go Black Cleaver and BORK first its way more effective.
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me


Well I sent an email as well, we'll see what the rioter says.
And have you tried clicking on the "Change email" button? the account is currently unverified so uh... can't you just change the email back and use it?
 
Just to note it only took them less than two days to respond to my ticket and i had my account for about two days so you could have had time to sent them a ticket about you lost your account so please don't say there was not enough time for you to have done something like that.

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im sorry i dont understand what you're saying moderator

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So i got scammed and you guys arent doing anything about it.... wow this website is bad lol

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idk what else to provide you
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
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did open the ticket, waiting for the response.
 
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Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me


Update: I've received a mail back from the Rioter, and he needs to verify my identity before assisting me, so I've mailed him back with all the info.
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1158480-I-received-a-negative-feedback-from-a-customer-who-previously-gave-me
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... another update. I may have to give them more info because some of the proofs I provided doesn't match the record (i.e. first champions purchased/refund token used on what items and such)

any updates on your end?
 
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