Got scammed, paid the money never got the account

[SgtClosetMonkey]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

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Purchase Date: 03-11-2018
Date the problem begain: 03-11-2018
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Whatsapp/Facebook
Your Instant Messenger ID: SgtClosetMonkey
Instant Messenger username of the person you are accusing:

ZynoxHF , Facebook name was Jacob Hansen sørensen​

Other information: Paid but never got the account.

DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1373842-Selling
Approximate value of property: $102.21 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? If so, what is the TG ID#

What is the dispute about?

Other details / notes: He took my money and never gave me full acces to the account so i cant play it.

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid

Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username): https://imgur.com/a/d0AiOrj
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible): https://imgur.com/a/d0AiOrj
Other proof: if more proof is needed i can screen the whole chat and even send the Whatsapp conversation to you guys.

Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he is the original owner? (provide proof)
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
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[Cecile28]

@SgtClosetMonkey can you provide the FULL conversation printscreen ?
Why did you wait 3 weeks before opening a dispute ?

@ZynoxHF notified.
@EpicNPC please email notify ZynoxHF as he's inactive since 2 weeks.

 

[SgtClosetMonkey]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Spoiler

[12:54, 3-10-2018] Mike: Hey man its the guy for the l2r account
[12:55, 3-10-2018] Account: Yo
[12:55, 3-10-2018] Account: Wanna buy the ranger?
[12:56, 3-10-2018] Mike: Yes
[12:58, 3-10-2018] Mike: And do you have all weapons with full atribute?
[12:59, 3-10-2018] Account: Yes
[12:59, 3-10-2018] Mike: Sounds good. And what did you want to get for it. And how will this trade be done?
[12:59, 3-10-2018] Account: Whats your offer
[13:00, 3-10-2018] Account: I Can tell no or yes
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Mike: Well on the site you said 500usd. Can you go lower?
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Account: 500usd is the losset
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Account: Lowest
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Account: Normally its Worth 1500-2000 USD
[13:02, 3-10-2018] Mike: Hmm. And how would this trade be done?
[13:02, 3-10-2018] Account: PayPal or skrill
[13:03, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay but wil there be a middleman?
[13:04, 3-10-2018] Account: Uhm no need i guess
[13:04, 3-10-2018] Account: Just need this account sold
[13:04, 3-10-2018] Account: Nothing more
[13:05, 3-10-2018] Mike: I actualy do want it.. but i have been scammed before just like this. Its hard for me to trust others through the internet ��
[13:05, 3-10-2018] Mike: And 500USD is quite some money
[13:06, 3-10-2018] Account: Iknow
[13:06, 3-10-2018] Mike: And what is your reason for selling the account?
[13:07, 3-10-2018] Account: Starting an orc
[13:07, 3-10-2018] Account: After Update
[13:07, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ahh ye i heard they were comming and they start at 180 right
[13:08, 3-10-2018] Account: Dont know
[13:08, 3-10-2018] Account: Acutally
[13:09, 3-10-2018] Mike: They do on the SEA servers saw a guy on twitch start it
[13:09, 3-10-2018] Account: Oh Nice
[13:10, 3-10-2018] Mike: If we can figure out a secure way to make this trade i am up for it
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: I just give you login
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Mike: Its an adroid account right
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: If you scam i Can make refund for the cash i spend
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: And it Will get banned
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: But only spend 100usd
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: Just login with facebook
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: On it
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ye i understand. But i wont scam it im just worried there wil be a way for you to reclaim the account since you are the original owner
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: I Will not
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: Dont need it
[13:13, 3-10-2018] Account: We cant deal if youre afraid of that tho
[13:13, 3-10-2018] Account: No Way to handle that
[13:14, 3-10-2018] Mike: Is it possible to change the name? To make sure people dont find out its sold so the risk of it being banned anyway is gone
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Mike: Sorry for being paranoid but just wanna be sure about things
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Uhmm alot people Selling accounts
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Nothing never happen
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Dont Think they even vare
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Care
[13:17, 3-10-2018] Account: Where you from?
[13:18, 3-10-2018] Mike: Netherlands
[13:18, 3-10-2018] Account: Isee
[13:27, 3-10-2018] Account: But write if you are interested
[13:40, 3-10-2018] Mike: I am i wil buy it
[13:42, 3-10-2018] Account: Okay
[13:42, 3-10-2018] Account: Wanna login?
[13:44, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ahh oké im not at home atm but i will check it on my phone.
[13:44, 3-10-2018] Mike: First let me add the money on paypal
[13:51, 3-10-2018] Mike: The money is on my paypal now.
[13:52, 3-10-2018] Account: All Right good
[13:54, 3-10-2018] Mike: We use Euro and i checked internet 500usd is 433.03 euro
[13:57, 3-10-2018] Account: [email protected]
[13:57, 3-10-2018] Account: Marica80
[13:57, 3-10-2018] Account: Login with facebook
[14:07, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay i have logged in en checked it can i change the info? and i will send the payment when its changed
[14:09, 3-10-2018] Account: Send 200euro now and rest after then
[14:09, 3-10-2018] Account: [email protected]
[14:09, 3-10-2018] Account: Send AS family and friends
[14:13, 3-10-2018] Mike: Why as family and friends actualy ��
[14:14, 3-10-2018] Account: Because then PayPal dont take money
[14:15, 3-10-2018] Mike: Im the one who pays for that right. I will pay more so you will het the full 433 euro/500 USD
[14:16, 3-10-2018] Account: Just send AS family and friends, i dont want you take money back
[14:16, 3-10-2018] Account: After
[14:16, 3-10-2018] Mike: I wont and i will not be able to since i wont have proof for it
[14:17, 3-10-2018] Account: Just send AS family and friends, and i know. But then PayPal Will restrict my PayPal until it figured out
[14:19, 3-10-2018] Account: [email protected]
[14:20, 3-10-2018] Mike: That wil only happen if you retrieve the account this is my only safety net if such thing happens. I can only say you can trust me that i will not reclaim the money aslong as you dont reclaim it that is a promise. But if i send it.as family and friends and you decide to.take it back i will never be able to see anything back.
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Mike: But wait.. is this your realy facebook account?
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ah nah
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Account: Nope
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Account: Its not
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Account: Just send the money AS you want then
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Account: AS long u dont claim back
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Mike: You can trust me. I will not claim it back
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Account: All Right, just send the money then
[14:25, 3-10-2018] Mike: It logged me out because the password is changed..
[14:25, 3-10-2018] Account: Then you changed it
[14:26, 3-10-2018] Mike: I didnt.
[14:26, 3-10-2018] Account: Hahahaha
[14:27, 3-10-2018] Account: Why youre trying to scam now
[14:27, 3-10-2018] Mike: You would get a notification
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Mike: I promise i didnt change it.
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Account: I just for
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Account: Got
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Account: Well send money then
[14:30, 3-10-2018] Mike: Not possible. Let me check
[14:32, 3-10-2018] Mike: Apparently it did but you can change it back whenever you want.
[14:31, 3-10-2018] Account: Send Half of money now
[14:31, 3-10-2018] Account: Or no deal
[14:31, 3-10-2018] Account: Password dont change itself
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Account: Well, just send half of money now
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Account: Wanna know if youre joking
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay i will send half
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Account: Okay
[14:36, 3-10-2018] Mike: Its send
[14:37, 3-10-2018] Mike: If i get full controll i will send the other 240
[14:38, 3-10-2018] Account: You send money so i first have it
[14:38, 3-10-2018] Account: 24.october
[14:39, 3-10-2018] Mike: What?
[14:39, 3-10-2018] Account: Nvm it because its new PayPal
[14:40, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay but as you can see i am not joking.
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: And i will send the other half once i get the account as we agreed
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: I refunded money
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: My PayPal ****s
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: Check if i Got it
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: Huh i dont get it ��
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ye
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: Its because i made new PayPal
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: PayPal keeping money
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: I got the money back
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: For some days
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: I hate PayPal
[14:42, 3-10-2018] Account: Uhm
[14:43, 3-10-2018] Mike: Soo what now?
[14:44, 3-10-2018] Account: Trying to figure out what to do
[14:46, 3-10-2018] Mike: Is it that big of a problem that you will get the money on the 24th?
[14:46, 3-10-2018] Mike: Because as long you dont refund it its yours anyway.
[14:46, 3-10-2018] Account: Yes because gonna use it
[14:48, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ah ofcourse
[14:48, 3-10-2018] Mike: Probably spend it on the orc right?
[14:48, 3-10-2018] Account: Yeee ��
[14:49, 3-10-2018] Account: Or fortnite account
[14:49, 3-10-2018] Account: Im not sure
[14:50, 3-10-2018] Mike: I dont know how i can give you the trust that im not a scammer. I have been the victem of a scam for 300 euro and its aweful and this is a good deal for me so there is no reason to scam for it.
[14:52, 3-10-2018] Account: Okay go buy a fortnite account for me
[14:52, 3-10-2018] Account: On playerauctions
[14:52, 3-10-2018] Account: We do that instead
[14:53, 3-10-2018] Mike: Uhh send me a link wich one that should be
[14:53, 3-10-2018] Account: ADD my fb jacob55x3
[14:53, 3-10-2018] Account: Gonna send you link there

This is the whatsapp where it started, And im not sure how i can get the full Facebook chat on 1 file can you explain how? if its not possible it will be like 20-30 screenshots i gues. its realy long

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And the reason i waited 3 weeks was because i didnt know this kind of thing excisted on this site, im new to this site. its my bad but i didnt expected there was such help here.

 

[EchoFoxTrot]

Spoiler

[12:54, 3-10-2018]Mike: Hey man its the guy for the l2r account
[12:55, 3-10-2018] Account: Yo
[12:55, 3-10-2018] Account: Wanna buy the ranger?
[12:56, 3-10-2018] Mike: Yes
[12:58, 3-10-2018] Mike: And do you have all weapons with full atribute?
[12:59, 3-10-2018] Account: Yes
[12:59, 3-10-2018] Mike: Sounds good. And what did you want to get for it. And how will this trade be done?
[12:59, 3-10-2018] Account: Whats your offer
[13:00, 3-10-2018] Account: I Can tell no or yes
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Mike: Well on the site you said 500usd. Can you go lower?
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Account: 500usd is the losset
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Account: Lowest
[13:01, 3-10-2018] Account: Normally its Worth 1500-2000 USD
[13:02, 3-10-2018] Mike: Hmm. And how would this trade be done?
[13:02, 3-10-2018] Account: PayPal or skrill
[13:03, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay but wil there be a middleman?
[13:04, 3-10-2018] Account: Uhm no need i guess
[13:04, 3-10-2018] Account: Just need this account sold
[13:04, 3-10-2018] Account: Nothing more
[13:05, 3-10-2018] Mike: I actualy do want it.. but i have been scammed before just like this. Its hard for me to trust others through the internet ��
[13:05, 3-10-2018] Mike: And 500USD is quite some money
[13:06, 3-10-2018] Account: Iknow
[13:06, 3-10-2018] Mike: And what is your reason for selling the account?
[13:07, 3-10-2018] Account: Starting an orc
[13:07, 3-10-2018] Account: After Update
[13:07, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ahh ye i heard they were comming and they start at 180 right
[13:08, 3-10-2018] Account: Dont know
[13:08, 3-10-2018] Account: Acutally
[13:09, 3-10-2018] Mike: They do on the SEA servers saw a guy on twitch start it
[13:09, 3-10-2018] Account: Oh Nice
[13:10, 3-10-2018] Mike: If we can figure out a secure way to make this trade i am up for it
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: I just give you login
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Mike: Its an adroid account right
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: If you scam i Can make refund for the cash i spend
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: And it Will get banned
[13:11, 3-10-2018] Account: But only spend 100usd
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: Just login with facebook
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: On it
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ye i understand. But i wont scam it im just worried there wil be a way for you to reclaim the account since you are the original owner
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: I Will not
[13:12, 3-10-2018] Account: Dont need it
[13:13, 3-10-2018] Account: We cant deal if youre afraid of that tho
[13:13, 3-10-2018] Account: No Way to handle that
[13:14, 3-10-2018] Mike: Is it possible to change the name? To make sure people dont find out its sold so the risk of it being banned anyway is gone
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Mike: Sorry for being paranoid but just wanna be sure about things
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Uhmm alot people Selling accounts
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Nothing never happen
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Dont Think they even vare
[13:15, 3-10-2018] Account: Care
[13:17, 3-10-2018] Account: Where you from?
[13:18, 3-10-2018] Mike: Netherlands
[13:18, 3-10-2018] Account: Isee
[13:27, 3-10-2018] Account: But write if you are interested
[13:40, 3-10-2018] Mike: I am i wil buy it
[13:42, 3-10-2018] Account: Okay
[13:42, 3-10-2018] Account: Wanna login?
[13:44, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ahh oké im not at home atm but i will check it on my phone.
[13:44, 3-10-2018] Mike: First let me add the money on paypal
[13:51, 3-10-2018] Mike: The money is on my paypal now.
[13:52, 3-10-2018] Account: All Right good
[13:54, 3-10-2018] Mike: We use Euro and i checked internet 500usd is 433.03 euro
[13:57, 3-10-2018] Account: [email protected]
[13:57, 3-10-2018] Account: Marica80
[13:57, 3-10-2018] Account: Login with facebook
[14:07, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay i have logged in en checked it can i change the info? and i will send the payment when its changed
[14:09, 3-10-2018] Account: Send 200euro now and rest after then
[14:09, 3-10-2018] Account: [email protected]
[14:09, 3-10-2018] Account: Send AS family and friends
[14:13, 3-10-2018] Mike: Why as family and friends actualy ��
[14:14, 3-10-2018] Account: Because then PayPal dont take money
[14:15, 3-10-2018] Mike: Im the one who pays for that right. I will pay more so you will het the full 433 euro/500 USD
[14:16, 3-10-2018] Account: Just send AS family and friends, i dont want you take money back
[14:16, 3-10-2018] Account: After
[14:16, 3-10-2018] Mike: I wont and i will not be able to since i wont have proof for it
[14:17, 3-10-2018] Account: Just send AS family and friends, and i know. But then PayPal Will restrict my PayPal until it figured out
[14:19, 3-10-2018] Account: [email protected]
[14:20, 3-10-2018] Mike: That wil only happen if you retrieve the account this is my only safety net if such thing happens. I can only say you can trust me that i will not reclaim the money aslong as you dont reclaim it that is a promise. But if i send it.as family and friends and you decide to.take it back i will never be able to see anything back.
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Mike: But wait.. is this your realy facebook account?
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ah nah
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Account: Nope
[14:22, 3-10-2018] Account: Its not
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Account: Just send the money AS you want then
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Account: AS long u dont claim back
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Mike: You can trust me. I will not claim it back
[14:23, 3-10-2018] Account: All Right, just send the money then
[14:25, 3-10-2018] Mike: It logged me out because the password is changed..
[14:25, 3-10-2018] Account: Then you changed it
[14:26, 3-10-2018] Mike: I didnt.
[14:26, 3-10-2018] Account: Hahahaha
[14:27, 3-10-2018] Account: Why youre trying to scam now
[14:27, 3-10-2018] Mike: You would get a notification
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Mike: I promise i didnt change it.
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Account: I just for
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Account: Got
[14:28, 3-10-2018] Account: Well send money then
[14:30, 3-10-2018] Mike: Not possible. Let me check
[14:32, 3-10-2018] Mike: Apparently it did but you can change it back whenever you want.
[14:31, 3-10-2018] Account: Send Half of money now
[14:31, 3-10-2018] Account: Or no deal
[14:31, 3-10-2018] Account: Password dont change itself
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Account: Well, just send half of money now
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Account: Wanna know if youre joking
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay i will send half
[14:33, 3-10-2018] Account: Okay
[14:36, 3-10-2018] Mike: Its send
[14:37, 3-10-2018] Mike: If i get full controll i will send the other 240
[14:38, 3-10-2018] Account: You send money so i first have it
[14:38, 3-10-2018] Account: 24.october
[14:39, 3-10-2018] Mike: What?
[14:39, 3-10-2018] Account: Nvm it because its new PayPal
[14:40, 3-10-2018] Mike: Okay but as you can see i am not joking.
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: And i will send the other half once i get the account as we agreed
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: I refunded money
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: My PayPal ****s
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: Check if i Got it
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: Huh i dont get it ��
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ye
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: Its because i made new PayPal
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: PayPal keeping money
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Mike: I got the money back
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: For some days
[14:41, 3-10-2018] Account: I hate PayPal
[14:42, 3-10-2018] Account: Uhm
[14:43, 3-10-2018] Mike: Soo what now?
[14:44, 3-10-2018] Account: Trying to figure out what to do
[14:46, 3-10-2018] Mike: Is it that big of a problem that you will get the money on the 24th?
[14:46, 3-10-2018] Mike: Because as long you dont refund it its yours anyway.
[14:46, 3-10-2018] Account: Yes because gonna use it
[14:48, 3-10-2018] Mike: Ah ofcourse
[14:48, 3-10-2018] Mike: Probably spend it on the orc right?
[14:48, 3-10-2018] Account: Yeee ��
[14:49, 3-10-2018] Account: Or fortnite account
[14:49, 3-10-2018] Account: Im not sure
[14:50, 3-10-2018] Mike: I dont know how i can give you the trust that im not a scammer. I have been the victem of a scam for 300 euro and its aweful and this is a good deal for me so there is no reason to scam for it.
[14:52, 3-10-2018] Account: Okay go buy a fortnite account for me
[14:52, 3-10-2018] Account: On playerauctions
[14:52, 3-10-2018] Account: We do that instead
[14:53, 3-10-2018] Mike: Uhh send me a link wich one that should be
[14:53, 3-10-2018] Account: ADD my fb jacob55x3
[14:53, 3-10-2018] Account: Gonna send you link there

This is the whatsapp where it started, And im not sure how i can get the full Facebook chat on 1 file can you explain how? if its not possible it will be like 20-30 screenshots i gues. its realy long

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And the reason i waited 3 weeks was because i didnt know this kind of thing excisted on this site, im new to this site. its my bad but i didnt expected there was such help here.

Just a heads up. They will not accept copy and pasted chats. You will have to use a screenshot.

 

[Cecile28]

@SgtClosetMonkey Echo is right. We need screenshot and not conversation transcript.
You can printscreen the necessary parts:
- The moment when he present the account
- The moment when you pay & payment confirmation on the chat
- Him non responsive

You didn't awnsered me. Why did you wait 3 weeks before opening a dispute ?

 

[SgtClosetMonkey]

Okay i will start on fixing the screenshots now, and i did awnser you under the comment

"And the reason i waited 3 weeks was because i didnt know this kind of thing excisted on this site, im new to this site. its my bad but i didnt expected there was such help here."

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https://imgur.com/a/KwfNqkb These are the important parts of the trade.

 

[Cecile28]

Thank you @SgtClosetMonkey
Unfortunatly, after 3 weekx, it will be really hard to obtain something from Zynox if he scammed you.

@ZynoxHF wasn't online since 2 weeks, and he was email notified.
Let's give him 48h to awnser. If he does not, I will ban him from this plateform. Unfortunatly, I can not do anything more.

 

[SgtClosetMonkey]

Thanks alot, i appreciate al the help so far, its my own fault i didnt let you guys know sooner.
Im doing this to make it clear for other people that this person is not to be trusted.

 

[Cecile28]

Banned as scammer.

Scammer informations:
ZynoxHF
[email protected]