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For starters, this is the thread I'm talking about...

http://vbforums.mmobay.net/scammers/398864-possible-scam-repped-member.html

Saw Customz post on a WTB thread (account probably worth $200-250 easily)

I created a thread saying Customz was banned on MB for offering zero compensation when an account he sold was recalled, even when he had a 100% money back guarantee policy.

This is MC's response: "Already well aware of the previous situation with Customz and find it to be completely irrelevant now. Thread closed. Thanks for the thread, but not necessary."


:(

Just makes me appreciate an admin like Mike that much more...

Thoughts on this situation?

---------- Post added 12-08-2010 at 04:01 PM ----------

Describing this situation well:

YouTube - guy vs public

(First fight Customz VS MC admin, second "fight" Customz VS Mike)
 
People with power always take advantage. Here and on MC it is all the same. And i am trying to fight against it but well if you make a relevant post they just ban you.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/coppafeelxmmo-possible-scammer.1669305/
So then why bother if you already know you are fighting a losing battle? Seems like you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time.
 
So then why bother if you already know you are fighting a losing battle? Seems like you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time.

If this is directed at me, I posted it in the Rants and Raves for a reason.

"Its fine, in this particular case there is no reason for your concern, but theres nothing wrong with being concerned." - Customz
 
Banned - failed to resolve dispute - http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/566183-Ash - hacking into a member's epicnpc account
The admin on MC is Khaccounts if im not mistaken, you can try contacting him on aim if it's such a big deal for you.
 
So then why bother if you already know you are fighting a losing battle? Seems like you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time.

Do you think anyone can do anything whithout trying? If you know your fighting a loosing battle you stop fighting? Look to the world with some glasses. Taliban is fighting, AlQuaida is fighting, USA is fighting, ... . Even when you know your loosing giving up means your defeated, keep trying and maybe someday you get some aid and you win.
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/448007-atraill-bought-leveling-services-but-never-paid.html
Zoefken - Moron, you need to stay banned. You never have ANYTHING positive to contribute, you just cause problems.

As for Customz ordeal, it's Shane's site so it's his call on whether or not he is allowed on MC. In my opinion, there was no scam, just an unfortunate event that ended with a rather suprising ending...
 
Zoefken - Moron, you need to stay banned. You never have ANYTHING positive to contribute, you just cause problems.

As for Customz ordeal, it's Shane's site so it's his call on whether or not he is allowed on MC. In my opinion, there was no scam, just an unfortunate event that ended with a rather suprising ending...

I still don't see how people say it's "not a scam."

That means I could advertise "100% money back guarantee" to possibly get more offers/buyers.
Sell someone an insecure account.
Account gets recalled, I say "sorry bud I don't have your money anymore", original poster is out X amount of dollars while I somehow became financially stable enough in a few months to buy a new account for myself easily worth $200.

I'm not trying to persuade Shane to change his rules/decision, I'm just ranting on his decision.

(Although logically you would think that if you accepted "people in Customz situation" that you will lose more reliable buyers/sellers due to having an increase in chance of being scammed/screwed)

---------- Post added 12-09-2010 at 12:59 PM ----------

As for Zoefken, I see some of the points he makes useful/helpful/true, but sometimes he's just to persistent on the matter.
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/448007-atraill-bought-leveling-services-but-never-paid.html
Just read the entire situation. No scam took place, it's unfortunate that he can't pay back the debt but as any student would understand... that would be the least of their worries.

The 100% compensation isn't set in stone, it's just a leap of faith that the user will stick to it, which I would have imagined he would have if it didn't happen at this time.
 
Moron, you need to stay banned. You never have ANYTHING positive to contribute, you just cause problems.

Grow up ******, seriously if you can't answer in a normal matter just keep it shut. The sig i once made for you ( for free ) isn't positive either. Your the moron here go follow the rest of the big people and feel importand for all i care. But if you speak to me use some manners kiddo.

The 100% compensation isn't set in stone, it's just a leap of faith that the user will stick to it, which I would have imagined he would have if it didn't happen at this time.

If i go and by a TV and they give me a guarantee i expect them to return my funds if something is wrong with it. How is this anything else than that. People don't mind paying some extra $ if they have a 100% money back guarantee. Time shouldn't be a issue with this. 100% = 100% and not 100% when it suits me.

If i would sell you a account for 350$ and tommorow i recall it and i would tell you " sorry buddy i don't have the money i can't repay you ". You would yell scammer, and so would 99% of mmobay and mc. You wouldn't say it is a unfortonate event.
 
Just read the entire situation. No scam took place, it's unfortunate that he can't pay back the debt but as any student would understand... that would be the least of their worries.

The 100% compensation isn't set in stone, it's just a leap of faith that the user will stick to it, which I would have imagined he would have if it didn't happen at this time.


I think you've misread what I said, he said he doesn't have the money to compensate the OP of the scam thread because he's a college and can't afford it, thats somewhat understandable, but still does not justify him promising a guarantee he can't execute. (which is why he was banned)

But that happened months ago, NOW is is trying to BUY an account easily worth $200-250. That's what set me off, not the fact that he just didn't compensate the user, but he has zero intention of doing so due to his greed.

---------- Post added 12-09-2010 at 08:39 PM ----------

If i go and by a TV and they give me a guarantee i expect them to return my funds if something is wrong with it. How is this anything else than that. People don't mind paying some extra $ if they have a 100% money back guarantee. Time shouldn't be a issue with this. 100% = 100% and not 100% when it suits me.

If i would sell you a account for 350$ and tommorow i recall it and i would tell you " sorry buddy i don't have the money i can't repay you ". You would yell scammer, and so would 99% of mmobay and mc. You wouldn't say it is a unfortonate event.

On a side note, this is extremely well said. Aside from our differences Zoef, atleast you and I see eye to eye on this situation.
 
Banned - failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/894043-Account-recalled-by-SpartanMD/page2
Correct grammar usage surely displays your true intelligence!! Please do not start that sort of debate here...

To stay on topic: I completely agree with OP. I never had any issues with Customz and still don't, but what he is doing is wrong. I'm not going to say KH should not allow him on MC, because yea, it is his site not mine, but I will say that what Customz is doing is wrong. Just because he was banned on here already, and is now allowed on MC, gives him no right to blow off the other guy and never repay him, when he now clearly has the money to do so. He needs to get his priorities straight and have some morality. This shouldn't be a "I'm friends with Customz so what you say means nothing!" thread, it should be a "someone is letting greed obscure morality" thread, and we should remove all previous biased opinions and talk about what should be done instead.

I for one believe KH should step up and tell Customz he will not be allowed on MC unless he repays that guy. But, you know, KH can't do that...or rather, doesn't want to. I think this is a good time to realize how good of an owner mmobay has. Thanks Mike.
 
SpartanMD said:
Correct grammar usage surely displays your true intelligence!! Please do not start that sort of debate here...

Why is it when people lack the inteligence of breaking the points they start breaking the grammer. You all understoud what i was saying? I wonder how much languages you people can speak / understand? I can speak / type the following in a understandable matter without using google transelate : Dutch , French , German , English , and a bit of japanese. Now don't get me wrong for making some mestakes.

But unlike some people my intelegince clearly reaches a higher standard. I attack the points until someone attacks my person. Now it is clearly I who is the smarter person in this discusion.

Atraill said:
Zoefken, you need to take a break from the internet. Geez.

Not before i told people like you that people speak to you in the manner they are spoken to by you.

cheats said:
Zoefken, it's spelled "you're". Not "your".

Before you point fingers and call people morons, make sure your hands are clean.

Don't get where your comming from. If you read the complete topic you notice yet again that i didn't start this childish bickering. On a side note i like to state people should stop following the people with a high post count and start to think for themself.

Ontopic:

Like many said before, people like customz need to mature and like spartan said get some morality. On the other hand who cares what happens on masked crusader? Don't get me wrong but only things that get sold on that site are wow stuff, and to be frank there is enough of that on mmobay.
 
Banned - failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/894043-Account-recalled-by-SpartanMD/page2
Why is it when people lack the inteligence of breaking the points they start breaking the grammer.

Happens a lot...it's even worse when the only thing they say in the whole argument is that your logic is invalid because you made a mistake in your grammar.
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/448007-atraill-bought-leveling-services-but-never-paid.html
Correct grammar usage surely displays your true intelligence!! Please do not start that sort of debate here...

To stay on topic: I completely agree with OP. I never had any issues with Customz and still don't, but what he is doing is wrong. I'm not going to say KH should not allow him on MC, because yea, it is his site not mine, but I will say that what Customz is doing is wrong. Just because he was banned on here already, and is now allowed on MC, gives him no right to blow off the other guy and never repay him, when he now clearly has the money to do so. He needs to get his priorities straight and have some morality. This shouldn't be a "I'm friends with Customz so what you say means nothing!" thread, it should be a "someone is letting greed obscure morality" thread, and we should remove all previous biased opinions and talk about what should be done instead.

I for one believe KH should step up and tell Customz he will not be allowed on MC unless he repays that guy. But, you know, KH can't do that...or rather, doesn't want to. I think this is a good time to realize how good of an owner mmobay has. Thanks Mike.

Last paragraph made me chuckle.
 
Care to say why? I guess you shouldn't explain as we all know by now. It is clear for all that KH is a oportunity person who does whats best for him and not what is best for the community. Thats why his site never draw the attention of the big crowds and thats why alot of people who came to his site left a few days after.
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/448007-atraill-bought-leveling-services-but-never-paid.html
Care to say why? I guess you shouldn't explain as we all know by now. It is clear for all that KH is a oportunity person who does whats best for him and not what is best for the community. Thats why his site never draw the attention of the big crowds and thats why alot of people who came to his site left a few days after.

Best for the community and Mike don't belong in the same sentence, he's a money man. You're too ignorant to see that though.
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/448007-atraill-bought-leveling-services-but-never-paid.html
KH is about money. Why do you think he charges for advertisement. If it was for fun I assume the prices would reflect that.

Any smart person would do so, including Marcus.. are you saying that what he did was wrong?

I know see two people in this thread that are bantering useless ****.
 
I love how you people love to incite reactions when you really have no clue what you are talking about. How many forums were started when Marcus sold MD to Mike? How many are still standing? I give people an alternative. That is it. You can try to moan, whine, and belittle how things are done all you want. The reason I did not react to Necro's plead was because of the way he handled it. Just that simple.

If I remember correctly, a vast number of people in this thread moaned a ton when Mike was first starting this place up. Now look at you people and your bandwagon jumping. Stop being hypocrites.
 
I love how you people love to incite reactions when you really have no clue what you are talking about. How many forums were started when Marcus sold MD to Mike? How many are still standing? I give people an alternative. That is it. You can try to moan, whine, and belittle how things are done all you want. The reason I did not react to Necro's plead was because of the way he handled it. Just that simple.

If I remember correctly, a vast number of people in this thread moaned a ton when Mike was first starting this place up. Now look at you people and your bandwagon jumping. Stop being hypocrites.

I'm curious, how did I handle it in your opinion? I posted a scammer thread up warning the admins and the community. After you saying that it was irrelevant I sent you multiple IM's of why it was relevant and why he should be banned. After you ignoring them completely, I then posted this thread as a rant.

Due to this thread getting wayyy off topic, I will be locking it shortly, but I would like to hear KH's response, whether it be here or IM.

---------- Post added 12-12-2010 at 03:16 PM ----------

You people need to realize that Mike and others alike spend money to keep this site running. The website name and any site updates all cost money. The fact is that most of the features are free, which you guys should appreciate. Everyone comes here to either earn entertainment by trading/buying an account or earn money by selling. Nobody comes here just to lose money and gain nothing in return, so why should the Administrators lose money for nothing?
 
Banned - failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/894043-Account-recalled-by-SpartanMD/page2
I'm not going to lie, I know little about the whole Customz situation. But if what Necro is saying is true, about the fact that he couldn't pay the guy back but now comes back on a new site with plenty of money for himself, I believe he should be banned. But hey, that's just my opinion...it's your site KH...your calls
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/448007-atraill-bought-leveling-services-but-never-paid.html
You're the one who said "Best for the community and Mike don't belong in the same sentence, he's a money man." not me.

I really wonder about you. None of your sentences or logic makes sence.
 
Atrail why is it that when you can't break the point you start to try and break the person? Your pathetic.

I understand websites cost money to run. But not the ammount people claim it costs. I for one can run a website with 20gb of space and a unlimited amount of trafic for about 120€ a year. And i am shure if you put up a DONATE HERE sign on the site people would donate some of there earnd cash to keep the site gouing. This is all the same with mmobay and masked. Anyway that was not realy the point of this thread.

On the otherhand like so many said KH handeld this badly to say the least. I am even suprised he can respond in such a blatent way. For not even answering the main reason of the post. Pretty silly to say the least. And we don't moan KH we cry for the bad managment of all. You people are no bussines man you are oportunity man. The diffrence is a bussines man works to keep his bussines alive and does everything to keep people as customers. That reflects in what markee used to do. Keep people happy so they stay. KH and Mike on the other hand saw a oportunity to get some money. Grabd the change and than let it die. Or run by itself whithout working for it.

I am sad
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/448007-atraill-bought-leveling-services-but-never-paid.html
Atrail why is it that when you can't break the point you start to try and break the person? Your pathetic.

I understand websites cost money to run. But not the ammount people claim it costs. I for one can run a website with 20gb of space and a unlimited amount of trafic for about 120€ a year. And i am shure if you put up a DONATE HERE sign on the site people would donate some of there earnd cash to keep the site gouing. This is all the same with mmobay and masked. Anyway that was not realy the point of this thread.

On the otherhand like so many said KH handeld this badly to say the least. I am even suprised he can respond in such a blatent way. For not even answering the main reason of the post. Pretty silly to say the least. And we don't moan KH we cry for the bad managment of all. You people are no bussines man you are oportunity man. The diffrence is a bussines man works to keep his bussines alive and does everything to keep people as customers. That reflects in what markee used to do. Keep people happy so they stay. KH and Mike on the other hand saw a oportunity to get some money. Grabd the change and than let it die. Or run by itself whithout working for it.

I am sad

I don't need to make a point, I'm not here to argue. I point fun at people over the internet, because either A) They made a rediculous comment or B) What they said made no sence.. hence why I posted that in regards to protocall. You would understand if you were around him for long enough.

Zoef, you may NEVER call me pathetic.. considering what you've done on MC also even here, and your ongoing trolls and negative comments. Take a break from the internet if it's getting at you, if you're truly sad over this... well, that's really sad.
 
I understand websites cost money to run. But not the ammount people claim it costs. I for one can run a website with 20gb of space and a unlimited amount of trafic for about 120€ a year.
We've had this discussion before. I want to see you run this website or one like it for 120 a year. You really don't know what it cost. I'm not flaming you in any way i'm just pointing to the fact that you dont know what your talking about in this situation. If you dont believe me then go ask marcus how much it cost to run MD since you seem to think he's the messiah of RMT. I beat you wont believe what he says either.
 
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Also if you think mike does nothing to keep this site running, then again you are WAY off base. You have no clue what goes on behind the scenes here. And as for making money. what? Mike shouldn't make a profit for hosting 99% of what this site does for free to the community? Again thats just flawed logic.

As far as this:

That reflects in what markee used to do.
You obviously have no clue how much marcus made off MD. oh and guess what when he sold it he sold it for a ...PROFIT. So no marcus wasn't a heart of gold do every thing just to make the community happy person. You havn't been around this community long enough to know half of what your talking about here.
 
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KH and Mike on the other hand saw a oportunity to get some money. Grabd the change and than let it die. Or run by itself whithout working for it.

I am sad

Actually I spend around 3-4 hrs per day 7 days a week working, moderating, reading scam reports and answering emails and questions. This does not include all the work the mods do as well. It's a lot of work to keep things running smoothly, so to say I let it run itself is a joke and to say sites shouldn't try to make money is ridiculous. This is my business and how I make my living.

Zoefken your main issue with me, which you've stated over and over, is I ban people without proof. Your definition of proof is outrageous to say the least. Screenshots of IP, email, username and of an admin at MMowned confirming 2 users match was not good enough "proof" to convince you a member here was one of MMOwnes biggest scam artists.

Look at the Ban list (http://vbforums.mmobay.net/banned.php?sort=bannedon&do=perm) I banned 12 people just today. Do you know how much extra work that would be if I had to post proof for every ban I make?

Your logic is mindblowing and this is the last time I'll comment on any statement of yours in regards to how I run MMObay.

Getting on topic, I agree with spartan and necro 100%.
 
For the record my dear Whambulance i personaly am starting a company i can't clear to much details yet but we have bought ourselve a server block and we placed it in a data center. De server block costed us exactly 789,50€ and the cost of the maintenance per week is the full 60€. Now i am no rocket scientist but the cost of the block we return from the taxes so that is a cost of a total 0,0€. The cost of the maintenance we pull of the BTW ( don't ask me what that is in another language ) thats 21% of. So make your own calculations. Don't think that when i give a point i make it whithout knowing.

3-4h a day makes me laugh seriously you can that working :), do you pay the moderators for the work they are douing?

Posting proof should be done and i don't even discus that with you. That is pure logic. Hey why did you ban him? O just because i have proof somewhere...... seriously.
 
Thats 3-4 hours just answering threads not including maintenance and the auction site. Again you have no clue what you speak of. As far as proof for a ban well no we dont have to post proof on public forums mostly because it usually deals wiyh personal info and we dont.allow.that to be posted. Take a look at old md scam threads, they were handled the same way. Nothing has changed.also, no, tbe mods are not payed. I myself have a full time job, im a paramedic. I only help out on the siye because im a long time member of this community and i enjoy being around it.
 
You don't work 24h in one go. No one does unless your a slave. You are standby for 24h thats a diffrence.

Again you lack the knowladge of a site of this magnitude. The auction part of the site works for itself except maybe some bug hunting and fixing. I don't think Mike wil even spend his time of checking all these auctions. Seriously if you even believe that .... .

I agree you don't disclose real names and adresses and what so ever, cause that would mean your breaking international law. But a explenation why you ban person A ... X would be advisable. Cause i seriously doubt that everything our friend Mike bans is proven. I am even thinking if you pay Mike a fee you can do anything and that goes for masked aswell
 
Banned - Scamming (No Refund) - 398864
In this thread: People talking about a situation they have very little information on.

Howdy fellas, Customz here, figured I would weigh in while this topic was still open. Let me start off by painting a little picture for you:

Once upon a time there was a website called Markee Dragon. Markee Dragon was a place MMO gamers could go to buy, sell, and trade all the items the obtained in their respective games. It was a prosperous website, run by a diligent, and ultimately fair group of staff members that cared greatly about the website's users. Being a part of that staff for over 2 years I can attest the the gross amount of work that was put into maintaining the site on a daily basis by all of the members of staff.

Markee Dragon was lead by a man named Marcus Eikenberry. Marcus, being a business man and owning several prosperous companies, was naturally tuned to seek out paths that served to make him the most profit. This, for the most part, was not the case with Markee Dragon. It was his baby, and many times decisions were made counter to what would have made him the most money. One day, for reasons that were never fully explained to myself, or anyone besides Alex / Ace / possibly Dinner (although I don't think he would have known) Marcus decided to sell the website's database in favor of going legitimate and no longer supporting the virtual goods trade.

(MarkeeDragon.com still does exist, it is now predominately a video game news website, dealing mostly with Indy fantasy titles).

The MD database was purchased by a fellow named Mike, owner of a virtual marketplace website called MMObay, for a very large sum of money. MD database was very valuable, Mike served to make a great deal of money off of all of the traffic, and his investment would soon be returned.

Fast forward a month or so, MD is now no longer in the business and the brunt of what Mike has planned for the site has been implemented. All indications point towards Mike taking the website into a direction Marcus would never have taken it, and a lot of the old-school MD members either leave or are extremely critical of his every move.

(A number of these old-school members decided to set up camp for themselves, and took to creating their own virtual paradises where new and old MDers could come and relive the good times. Of these websites I believe MC is the only one still running. Although I admittedly have not checked in on the sites Kevs and Chadwick started in quite some time).

Anyways, as I'm sure many of you are aware, I hit a bit of a rough patch a ways back and had the misfortune of having an account recalled on me while it was in the possession of someone I quite liked. I did all I could do to try and regain control of the account, but once I realized those efforts were fruitless I asked for sympathy from the user. It was the beginning of the school year, and as a student trying to pay his own way through post-secondary, the timing wasn't very financially viable. I explained this (although looking back at the post I was rather blunt. I suppose I was having a bad day / week, I should have been nicer) to Glacial, and the MMObay staff dealing with the situation, and all seemed fine. Glacial was nice enough to let me off the hook, and things looked like they were moving on.

Then enters Vexoz, a user I had previously had an issue with. He and myself had traded accounts, and in an idiotic move I was unhappy with the account, and after Vexo was unwilling to re-trade, I recalled mine and returned his. This admittedly, was not wise, and I do regret it. Vexoz opened a thread on me, as he had every right to do, and demanded some form of compensation for his perceived loss. In the end it was settled that I was to give Vexo $50 in return for the grief I caused him, and that would be that. I had no issue with that, and the complaint was closed. Never in this situation was I "banned and unbanned" as someone claimed in the thread that this thread is talking about.

Anyways, Glacial, quite understandably, got a bit upset and decided I wasn't the nice person he thought I was (an opinion that, let me remind you, was based solely on falsities), and I was banned. I wasn't really given much of a chance to defend myself, and attempt to debunk all the lies that were swimming around in that thread, but I attribute that to the MMObay staff not being very fond of me (I was one of the members who was initially critical of the way Mike chose to run this site), but I hold no grudges.

I have since offered a bit of compensation to Glacial, but chose not to make this fact public, or attempt to get my ban lifted as I really have no interest in being on this website. Although, it does look like it has improved substantially since I was last here (the ad at the bottom of every first post is a very nice touch). So perhaps I was wrong in being critical after all, but I'm straying from the point here. I don't really have any interest in being back on this website, I would simply prefer that people who never really knew me, or the things I did to help on MD, not talk about me as if they have some sort of insider information on the topic. Its nice to see some old friends coming to my semi-defence (thanks Andrew, and what the heck Shane, you banned me from MC?!), but I honestly dont know most of you, and I don't see why you are so concerned about me. As I told whoever it is that started this thread (I dont remember your name), "being concerned is good, but in this case there is no need for your concern".

-Customz
 
I run 18- 24 calls in a shift average call time 1 hour to complete so yea i do work 24 hours. I work for one of the busiest counties in the country. You obviously know nothing about ems.
 
I didn't reply to your scam thread because that happen to be the week I was getting married (sept 24) and going away on my honeymoon, so the few days before and about a week after was very busy. I made no announcement and only told the mods since I didn't want scammers taking advantage when I was away.

However as I do many times in situations before, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt the first time, so if compensation was provided sometime after and Glacialbullet confirms, I have no problem unbanning you.
 
Banned - Scamming (No Refund) - 398864
Congratulations! I'm not really looking to be unbanned. I am in need of an account though, so perhaps a compromise? Let me start anew? In any case, thanks for not insta-banning this account the second you found out who it was.
 
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