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Bought hacked Genshin Impact [NA] account, original owner found

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Scam Accusation
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Information
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Purchase Date: Jun 7, 2021
Date the problem begain: Jun 26, 2021
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: ilsalvatore on site, ilsalvatore#0542 on discord
Your Instant Messenger ID: gray hat

Other information:


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread):

Account was bought from noogahz in thread: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/ar55-c6-zhongli-diluc-childe-more-top-up-still-available.1966746/
He has been very helpful with trying to resolve this situation.

@noogahz initially bought the account from ilsalvatore in thread: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/ar-...c-c6-childe-ganyu-amos-xiao-pjws-950.1949024/

Approximate value of property: $900-950.00USD
Was Trade Guardian used? No
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?

What is the dispute about?

I bought a Genshin account from noogahz on Jun 7, 2021 for $900.00 (who bought it from ilsalvatore on May 24, 2021) and played on the account for about 2 weeks. I did not find anything wrong with the account until I visited the game's official forum site (hoyolab.com) and found messages waiting for me. I immediately realized something was off as I'd never made posts on the site, so I looked deeper into the account to find that the original owner of the account had instead made posts about their account being hacked (see screenshots). They had also filed recall claims with mihoyo support but failed to get their account back despite the proof they had on hand.

Fortunately, the hacker did not delete any information or posts by the original owner on hoyolab, so I was able to locate the original owner via the twitter linked attached to their profile.
I added the original owner on discord to confirm their identity -
They posted several screenshots and videos of them playing on the account while they still owned it. I also noticed that their screenshots often included another player by the name of "KurodaYuki" who also follows them on the hoyolab site. I have attached one of these screenshots to the post.
After talking with them on discord, I confirmed that the account I was playing on was indeed theirs.

I messaged ilsalvatore on Jun 8, 2021 a day after I originally bought the account from noogahz, and they pretended that they were the original owner. The listing for the original sale of the account also listed ilsalvatore as the original owner.

If any additional information is needed please let me know. If it's possible, could an admin hide the images as I can't hide them myself, I think the account has been compromised enough as is.

Other details / notes:

I believe noogahz has already informed the middleman @Delac they used on the situation.

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!

Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof:


Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof)
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
Yes yes i am not OG, traded for this account on discord server Genshin Trading Hub or something like that. Did not think it would come back like this :unsure:, i say i'm OG so these accounts sell, recently i stopped doing it as well but this is news. The one i traded it was not a hacker but a kid, i asked for account creation and receipts, the 47 receipts that you have now. But i did not find anything suspicious involving the account, but also i never logged in mihoyo labs or whatever it is called, i only played for a few hours before i put it up for sale because my reason for trading was to find an account that sells. I understand i am in the wrong but i am not a hacker, i do not know how to hack.
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
And i see that in one of the screenshots where you ask if i had bought or sold from that person, i did not, never talked, never traded as i say in discord.
 
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Do you have any chat logs from this discord server? Do you have the discord ID of the person you bought it from? Do you have any proof of payment to this person?
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
I did not pay, i traded my Xiao C6, Jean C6 for it, there should be logs in the discord server, since we communicated in the server.
 
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Ok, do you have any screenshots at all? Or even a discord server invite link? Anything?
 
@ilsalvatore please post an entire conversation image with a person from you got the account
 
Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/noogahz-scammed-me-1800.2668834
@Angel - Do I need to make another thread? I would like to add onto this as screenshot shown below -
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So first he says it is his personal, and then he says he never bought accounts. Didn't he just admit he "trades" accounts? What is it? Seems like he's lying. I already notified my bank FYI
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
Notified your bank for what, i told you it is not my account, so for not being original owner you want to refund the money?
 
Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/noogahz-scammed-me-1800.2668834
No, because you lied about the account details. You also lied twice. It's ironic you don't see it -- can't prove anything right? since you bothered responding but with no screenshots or proof lol
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
@ilsalvatore please post an entire conversation image with a person from you got the account

We got invited to a Middleman server to do the trade after we agreed on it when talking in the GITH server with the Middleman

Nully#4797

This is their discord username. Also the server got nuked, i asked about it in another server and they told me that.

https://disboard.org/server/769408351460392960
 

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Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/noogahz-scammed-me-1800.2668834
Did you buy the account from him on epicnpc since it mentions MM?

It doesn't change the fact that you lied regarding being original owner and then provided fake receipts.
 
We got invited to a Middleman server to do the trade after we agreed on it when talking in the GITH server with the Middleman

Nully#4797

This is their discord username. Also the server got nuked, i asked about it in another server and they told me that.

https://disboard.org/server/769408351460392960

I want to believe you, but not only have you admitted to lying about being the original owner of accounts, you've also admitted to making fake sale threads in the past. You're also saying the middleman server got nuked too? What about the middleman you used?
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
I want to believe you, but not only have you admitted to lying about being the original owner of accounts, you've also admitted to making fake sale threads in the past. You're also saying the middleman server got nuked too? What about the middleman you used?
Well i’ve done both thinking nothing bad was going to happen, recently i stopped doing it i don’t know if i had a bad feeing or what but i was like what if something happens to the accounts and i get blamed, so i started to not check “original owner” on the threads. Really it was just so i could get to sell the accounts, i never meant to keep lying and lying but once you do it i guess you have to stick with it. And i have sold genshin accounts since october last year, i imagine some of these accounts would have problems if i was hacking them but this is the first time i’ve had a problem with a genshin account.

About the middleman I never messaged him so i wouldn’t know or remember the discord tag, everything was done in the MM server.
 
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We got invited to a Middleman server to do the trade after we agreed on it when talking in the GITH server with the Middleman

Nully#4797

This is their discord username. Also the server got nuked, i asked about it in another server and they told me that.

https://disboard.org/server/769408351460392960

@pixelbateman is an account on discord image the same account he sold to you?
 
In the original sale thread was posted that @ilsalvatore is the original owner. This is clearly false advertising and full refund must be issued

@pixelbateman what happens with the account, do you still have it?
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
In the original sale thread was posted that @ilsalvatore is the original owner. This is clearly false advertising and full refund must be issued

@pixelbateman what happens with the account, do you still have it?
full refund to who?
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
and the account? @pixelbateman still has the account, nothing has happened to it, it was hacked in the past, i lost an account of equal value trading it, and now i have to lose $800 as well?
 
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and the account? @pixelbateman still has the account, nothing has happened to it, it was hacked in the past, i lost an account of equal value trading it, and now i have to lose $800 as well?

I am waiting on @pixelbateman to answer what happens with the account. This Nully who sold you the account, I would like to see his Discord ID with #, can you post an image please

Also what payment method you use, if is Paypal please post transaction image with their email included
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
I am waiting on @pixelbateman to answer what happens with the account. This Nully who sold you the account, I would like to see his Discord ID with #, can you post an image please

Also what payment method you use, if is Paypal please post transaction image with their email included

642479236745265153 , it was a trade of accounts, i did not pay nully
 

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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
How and where did you reach this person?
Discord server Genshin Impact Trading Hub , discord.
 
In the original sale thread was posted that @ilsalvatore is the original owner. This is clearly false advertising and full refund must be issued

@pixelbateman what happens with the account, do you still have it?
Yes, I have been holding on to the account for the original owner until the dispute has been settled (if any further proof from the account was needed). The account will be given back to the original owner regardless of the outcome of the dispute.
 
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Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/noogahz-scammed-me-1800.2668834
The issue was you lying about being the original owner. If you had claimed it was a bought or in this case, a traded account, I wouldn't have purchased it at all. You even provided fake receipts with the intention of just selling it by false advertising. @ilsalvatore
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
The issue was you lying about being the original owner. If you had claimed it was a bought or in this case, a traded account, I wouldn't have purchased it at all. You even provided fake receipts with the intention of just selling it by false advertising. @ilsalvatore
receipts werent fake its what i was given
 
Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/noogahz-scammed-me-1800.2668834
they were fake because I found the original owner. Why are you still lying? You admitted to being a trader and were told about the receipts. You never told me those receipts from were someone else. You said you were the original owner? Do you not understand?
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
they were fake because I found the original owner. Why are you still lying? You admitted to being a trader and were told about the receipts. You never told me those receipts from were someone else. You said you were the original owner? Do you not understand?
i feel bad for the one you sold it to, but i dont feel bad for you, youre quite dumb
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
why are you even here? all you've been doing so far is typing useless comments, be quiet.
 
Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/noogahz-scammed-me-1800.2668834
was helping initially since mod asked. i love how you keep avoiding the question ... even resorts to insults. good way to set an example for your girls btw

let's face the facts -- when i asked you if you were original owner, you could've said no and there wouldn't have been an issue, but you lied --regardless of whether or not you bought it from Nully. You could have made that account and made up a story about the server afaik. All I know is you had a hacked account and lied about it. False advertising -- do you know what this means? You should check it out

I will be leaving since I made a separate thread about you. Please let me know if anything else is necessary @ mod
 
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There is no evidence that @ilsalvatore was the one who hacked this account. As I previously said he is obligated to refund the payment to @noogahz and then noogahz have to refund money to @pixelbateman

Later you can attempt to recover your account you traded with a scammer on discord

Once when refund is made @noogahz is free to issue negative feedback for false advertising
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
Go ahead
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/bought-hacked-genshin-impact-na-account-original-owner-found.1983546/page-2
Are you going to refund the money?
Who starts the refunding? If i refund and then nooga doesnt refund what then? I didnt sell to pixelbateman i sold to nooga, so i can't directly refund to pixel. And who does the account go to? What i understand from all this is that it leaves me double scammed in the end, lose an account of equal value and lose $800. And did anything come of that discord account? Maybe an epicnpc account or something like that? And who is the original owner? There is a lot missing here.
 
And who is the original owner?
You can find the posts they made here.
https://www.hoyolab.com/genshin/article/390338
https://www.hoyolab.com/genshin/article/393783
The posts were made before 5/28 when they lost access to hoyolab. Posts also state that they were going to go ahead and file chargebacks through their bank as mihoyo denied their account recall. This would mean that the account would go into negative primogems/get banned eventually.
Twitter is linked to their community profile, as I've said in the original post. If you want to confirm for yourself as well @Angel
 
This has been already confirmed

@ilsalvatore you have to refund @noogahz so he can do the same with @pixelbateman. Everyone is responsible for what is sells here and since this account was not yours and you have misled @noogahz that it was, this will be considered false advertising. You are free to contact Mihoyo and try to recover the account you traded with a scammer.

If you refuse my request you will be banned

@pixelbateman please return the account to the original owner and send me a conversation image which confirms that
 
Any update about the refund?
 
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