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After a discussion in the moderator forum we have decided to ban name change services for Bnet and any other platform where an ID is required to change a persons name.

The consensus was that for the majority of these services the risk and temptation to use a fake ID is high enough that we no longer want to allow these types of services on EpicNPC.

By banning name change services, even though there aren't many being offered, we believe this will have a positive impact on the community and send a clear message that we're serious about doing whatever it takes to make EpicNPC a safer place to buy, sell and trade game accounts.


If you are currently offering this service as part of an account sale, please edit it out of your thread. Any threads dedicated solely to name change services have been closed. Any new threads starting today will be completely removed if they offer a BattleNet name change.
 
Mike, are you serious? I offer a legit service...This is how I make most of my money for rent/ car payment and everything....... I go through allt he ticket history on every account to make sure that no ill intended changes are being made ont he accounts to...

So can I at least advertise my site that is not affiliated with yours that re-directs people for a change to goto my site?
 
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In the " website advertisement" Section, can I at least point people to my website Thehiddenshop.com then and just state it has no affiliation with Epicnpc?
Yes you can offer the service on your own site and link to it from here, however in the thread you create you can't mention that you offer Bnet Name Change services. I'm basing this on the assumption your website will offer other services and not be 100% dedicated to "name changes" correct?
 
It's not 100% dedicated to name changes no. Its called Thehiddenshop.com its not quite up yet, but ill have accts for sale etc.

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DO you have skype mike? or aim or something
 
I'm pleased this is no longer allowed. Editing documents such as birth certificates and ID cards is illegal and draws unwanted attention to us.
 
Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/keiichi-owes-me-fees-i-hope-he-is-okay-cool-dude.1433002/
I'm also greatful that this no longer allowed.
Rmysidia i only think Mike accepts Family, Friends and Voluteers to his AIM contact list but feel free to PM him.
 
I can give mike step by step of what I do. There is no editing documents.

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So what about unbanning services that require ID and also people/power sellers and all who need ID's for verification. Who knows if someone is uploading fake ID's to gain epic verification? if you wan't all ID's to be gone and services then don't just punish my business, punish all.

Another thing, you are stating you don't want "unwanted attention". Why even have this forum then? Selling game accounts is against/illegal against most TOU for all gaming companies.

ELO boosting/ any kind of those services, are making people log on to your account. You aren't supposed to share your account details with ANYONE. So thats breaking rules too.

I can screen share the entire process with mike or a super moderator if that is what they want
 
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Please read anything square enix / steam related. They talk about federal law and legal issues if you sell/do illegal things in the game and they legitimately catch you.
 
Has anybody been taken to court for boosting services over a game.

The court will surely laugh at the gaming company.

I haven't seen a single company been taken down for not following their terms and conditions, selling/doing illegal things.

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Also what's to complain when you can still offer them when your site is up, Rym?

Mike's forum, Mike's rules I guess.
 
Every forum selling virtual items is an underground/black market site.
 
Please read anything square enix / steam related. They talk about federal law and legal issues if you sell/do illegal things in the game and they legitimately catch you.

I've never heard of anyone suffering any sort of legal consequences for this.

Has anybody been taken to court for boosting services over a game.

The court will surely laugh at the gaming company.

I haven't seen a single company been taken down for not following their terms and conditions, selling/doing illegal things.

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Also what's to complain when you can still offer them when your site is up, Rym?

Mike's forum, Mike's rules I guess.

Boosting services, while breaking TOS, are almost never against the law, to my knowledge. If anything, it would be regarded as a civil matter. You are offering a boosting service, not forging documents. I see no issue with boosting services, especially if they are done by hand.


And yes, I stand by the last line about it being his forum and call. However, as he mentioned, it was not something he decided on alone. The topic was discussed among moderators, super moderators, and EpicNPC himself.
Yes, there is the whole court case with honorbuddy and everything. What i'm trying to get at, is this site in general is an underground kind of site.....
And if I recall, Blizzard ended up paying out to Honorbuddy to get them to stop selling in Germany. Yes, this site offers things that break game TOS, but I think the idea is to keep the line at that, and not breaking of federal laws.
 
Breaking a Game's ToS vs forging Gov't documents are 2 completely different thing on 2 different levels. For boosting/Selling Gold/accounts you'll get a ban in game. The reason certain individuals start getting in trouble is when they start building programs based on the game to illegally enhance it. I'm not familiar with WoW, but there was a few cases in FFXI and FFXIV where Square Enix did Cease/Desist on 3rd party apps. That's the only time they really have something concrete with which to prosecute you with.

On the contrary, if you start involving yourself or are in forging official Gov't documents, that's a Federal Felony on all 50 states in the United States, I'm not sure about International Laws. Here in the US, you will get Prison and a $$ Fine, the time and amount varying by State.

It's just on of those things that was decided. Similar to our Warez policy. EpicNPC isn't a warez site so we don't allow any of that either. There's a difference between legitimately dealing in RMT and pirating/forging.

If there's a way you can prove your business doesn't do this, that'd be awesome and I'd say do your best to prove it. While I personally like the idea of you showing a detailed step - step process the only issue with that would be that that would be unique to the example you would show. Each case is unique when dealing with Name changes I'm sure, and while I'm sure your word is good, unfortunately it's something we can't take at face value.
 
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Being "Underground/Black Market" in the sense of breaking TOS may be frowned on by the gaming companies, but it's a far gap from forging documents and offering felonious services.

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, nor saying anyone is or isn't doing such.
 

I agree with that statement also, if anyone remembers, It's how EpicNPC (previously mmobay) came to be as MD sought to distance itself from RMT.

However, it's still something very different when it starts involving/including the forging of Legal Documents.
 
Customer violates game company TOS and wishes for someone to log in thus leveler does.

Customer violates TOS.

No law broken.

I am referring to power leveling only, not selling gold or accounts which remain intellectual property of the publisher.
 
If you're going to violate a federal law, do it on your own website please.

Don't allow your actions to affect this whole forum :)
 
I'm not violating any laws, and you guys are treating me like a criminal. Just ban me already if you think i'm doing something wrong. I already offered to show to someone in private, Mike or a super mod how I do it.
 
Jason, there is no evidence that Rmysidia is breaking federal law or using illegal methods at this time.

I see no reason to ban her, and believe she is a good member who offers plenty of valid services besides the name changing.

If she shows Mike otherwise, and he decides to allow it, that's his call.

But for the time being things are pretty clear on what is and isn't allowed.
 
I'm not violating any laws, and you guys are treating me like a criminal. Just ban me already if you think i'm doing something wrong. I already offered to show to someone in private, Mike or a super mod how I do it.

Sorry if I made you feel that way, on the contrary, I'm just elaborating on things being said.
While I don't know you personally Rmysidia your posts and actions speak for you, I wouldn't want the community to lose you, and I saw you say you depend heavily on this, which is why I encourage you to peruse to show your methods meet the Forum's rules. I'm not the one you'd have to convince, and if you were to show anyone, I'd think EpicNPC or someone who is well versed in Blizzard would be the best bet to go about that. I'm not saying this will work, nor is this EpicNPCs policy on this (Of asking for special privilege), these are just words of advice from one user to another.
 
Banned - dispute thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/623156-Account-recalled-by-EpicNpc-user-xdarkbaconx
I have news for all of you when you buy an account and your name is "steve" and you're calling blizzard from a completely different state and name and claiming to be that person and etc with their id, it is called IDENTITY THEFT. Don't tell me you can't get in trouble because WoW is a virtual game.... their has been MANY fraud cases, identity theft (which i agree on taking the name change down) and much more issues. Yea WoW offers a ToS you have to agree to but it just like a binding contract they can burn you REALLY fast and take you to court if they wanted. Right here is just 1 case and MANY more just for simple account selling. http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/01/13/man-imprisoned-on-fraud-and-theft-charges-over-account-selling-s/
 
A lot has been said so here goes.

A game's ToS is not a law. A company is allowed to sue an individual or business if they break the ToS and if the company believes it has a negative effect on their product. This is what happened to HonorBuddy as Blizzard successfully sued by claiming the bot program had a negative impact on its game and players.

I have news for all of you when you buy an account and your name is "steve" and you're calling blizzard from a completely different state and name and claiming to be that person and etc with their id, it is called IDENTITY THEFT
That's not really true. The OO willingly sold the account in turn giving you permission to use his name and ID to take control of it, so you can't claim it's ID theft as no theft took place. I suppose you can claim ID fraud since you are not that person, but again account sales are based on the fact the OO gave you permission over the account. The fraud only comes into play because game companies do not have a method to transfer an account from one person to another, so IMO this is a gray area.

EU courts in 2012 ruled that digital license are owned by the person who purchased them, not the company who sold them, and that person has a legal right to resell it. This directly relates to gaming accounts.
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

even if the licence agreement prohibits a further transfer, the rightholder can no longer oppose the resale of that copy.
The fact players have no method to transfer accounts from one person to another and have to commit ID fraud is more of an issue with Blizzard than it is between the 2 players committing ID fraud because in the EU Blizzard is supposed to allow for license transfers which it is currently not.

The fact Blizzard lost the case in EU means Blizzard will never sue anyone over account or virtual item rights in NA. There is a very high risk they will lose and no reward if they win as this does not change any of the rules currently in place. Instead they will just wait until someone sues them then drag it out as long as possible.

So what about unbanning services that require ID and also people/power sellers and all who need ID's for verification. Who knows if someone is uploading fake ID's to gain epic verification? if you wan't all ID's to be gone and services then don't just punish my business, punish all.
This is not about IDs in general, but fake IDs and the temptation to use them. Many games do not require ID to get unbanned depending on the ban reason. Asking for an ID to verify someone's info for verification, leveling or when buying an account is also completely different from a name change service.

In all those cases you're checking that the info matches. If a person uses a fake ID, the seller will deny the transaction as it's most likely a scam. So these work themselves out and it is in the best interest for the buyer to make sure the ID is real. For name changes you know the info does not match from the start.

The only people requesting name change services are people who do not have the ID to the account they own. This can be for multiple reasons; they bought it from someone and never got an ID; they created the account with fake info so no ID exists, or the ID they got from the OO is old and expired.

No one is saying their are not legit reasons for bnet name changes, what we are saying is the probability and temptation to create a fake ID to match the name on the account is very high, much higher than in account sales or verification purposes.

At this time the new rule will stand, however feel free to continue the discussion as we are always willing to listen to our members and make any change we think will benefit the community as a whole.
 
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I honestly see no problem with this rule.

Fake ID's have always been frowned upon and if seen using/offering them calls for being banned.

This just adds onto that single rule as 99% of unbanning/name change services use Fake ID's .

I say 99% of them due to the fact that back in WOTLK I got an account of a really good American friend of mine .

I purchased a hard copy of WOTLK filled out the account retrieval form, used the name on the account aswell as my name , Sent in MY id and also sent in the scanned copy of the wotlk cd and they changed the name of the account to mine. I don't know if that method still works or not but from my experience as a wow player for 9 years MOST methods require the actual ID of the OO which some are not willing to provide due to not wanting their ID floating around the internet.

Also there was a fake ID of me floating around Epicnpc years and years ago due to me not handing out my ID.


As mike states feel free to continue the discussion as we are always willing to listen to our members :)
 
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