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Attempt hack by YCHOI / hypnot1ze and don't want to be responsible

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Information
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Purchase Date: 10th September 2022
Date the problem began: 16th September 2022
Method of Contact Used (chat program): Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: Ychoi#4256
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DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epadicnpc thre): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/sold.2243906/#post-8511146
Approximate value of property: $250 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? No
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?

What is the dispute about?
He is a scammer that changing nickname at forum and discord account to scam more people and don't want to responsible to hacked account that he sold.
I bought this account for 250$ and it's a hacked account, the seller don't want to be responsible with the account.
i have full proof of chat that we made in discord if needed.
i scared that many people got scammed by him since he changing discord and nickname so often.

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Proof
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and its not his account. its hacked account from AUS

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He changed epicnpc's nickname to hypnot1ze and discord account to bigpoppa#2625

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Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof) yes
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https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/sold.2243906/#post-8511146

What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled? 6 days
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
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https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/90442-Dispute-FORUM-RULES
 
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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
1. What's up if i change username on epicnpc and made new discord?
a.) change username after 1 year what's up with that? You haven't seen any other member here that didnt do that?
b.) I have new discord for new buyers, and old discord for old and existing buyers. What's up with you? Add me on both.

2. I'm excited to see how you can show proof that its a hacked account.

3. You think I scammed a lot of people? I haven't receive any negative feedback for more than 1 year as a member.

4. Atleast read forum rules next time. If you did actually get hacked/scammed

RULES:
Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
And btw, you messaged me at 10:42pm, I replied at 12:08am. And vwala you already made dispute without waiting my response.
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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
I hacked the account and Its from Australia as you said? Post the purchase history of steam account here. Post added funds history from 2018.
 
1. Proof that you are selling hacked account.
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from your thread it says original owner.
If you are original owner, you must have information to secure the account.
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Since you don't have access to old phone number and steam guard, i cannot secure the account that i bought, either account information.

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The seller never told me that he tried to change details.


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You said earlier that i need to wait atleast 10days to secure the account, but i found out that you cannot secure steam account without proof of ownership that someone had purchased in the account.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
1. How is that a proof that its a hacked account? That's steam asking for proof of purchase cause it just logged in from new device and you try to change details immediately.
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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
If admin here knows steam very well, must've known that its usual problem with accounts that have purchase history, that you can't immediately change email or remove phone number unless its done from a familiar pc or recognized device. You were just so impatient, i even gave u the precautionary measures before i sent you account details.
 
1. You don't have account information to secure the account
2. You said that you don't have access to phone number anymore
3. You don't have any proof that the person trying to login from AUS
4. You never tell me about changing details about the account
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
You must've have really low reading comprehension. Whatever i posted on thread. It is what is stated. I instructed you to wait a few days before changing details, so that steam wont detect its hijacked, yet you still wanna do it.
I gave you precautionary measures before i gave account details, yet you still didnt follow.
 
You must've have really low reading comprehension. Whatever i posted on thread. It is what is stated. I instructed you to wait a few days before changing details, so that steam wont detect its hijacked, yet you still wanna do it.
I gave you precautionary measures before i gave account details, yet you still didnt follow.
How can i trust you? when someone trying to login to my account from AUS, i didn't change any detail until last hour as you instructed. But someone trying to login to my account that you said don't change password for 10days. And later you said it was you? lmao. Then how can steam detect its hijacked or not if you are trying to login from new device and different country?
 
You must've have really low reading comprehension. Whatever i posted on thread. It is what is stated. I instructed you to wait a few days before changing details, so that steam wont detect its hijacked, yet you still wanna do it.
I gave you precautionary measures before i gave account details, yet you still didnt follow.
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And you never told me that you are going to change my account details in last 3day
it's been 4 hour since someone tried to login and you didn't inform me.
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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
1. What you mean I don't have account information? You already changed gmail info and steam password. Are you for real?
2. As I've said a hundred times, even after i gave u log in info, I don't have access to phone number

3. I have said, I'm away and can't use PC. so I'm asking a favor to settle the accounts that haven't been changed yet.

4. I already told you in chat, change the email whenever you can or steam allows you to, and you keep bothering me even if its not 10 days yet
 
1. What you mean I don't have account information? You already changed gmail info and steam password. Are you for real?
2. As I've said a hundred times, even after i gave u log in info, I don't have access to phone number

3. I have said, I'm away and can't use PC. so I'm asking a favor to settle the accounts that haven't been changed yet.

4. I already told you in chat, change the email whenever you can or steam allows you to, and you keep bothering me even if its not 10 days yet
1. i changed gmail information as you said, and i did changed password last hour
2. How about the credit card? because it's not yours?
3. You never told me about away and cannot use PC, stop talking about nonsense
4. I haven't change the email and steam will never let me since i don't have the account information about purchase of ownership
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
Paranoid as you always are. You keep insisting its hacked, someone hacked it, or i just stole and sell it.
I have guys that do stuff for me while I am away, cause I know, buyers like you (who lack reading comprehension, does whatever he likes even when i give precautionary measure) dont have the patience til I respond or settle the accounts.
My friend didn't even get to log in the accountcause of steamguard, why are you crying about it?
it's not like we changed password and didn't tell you.

I tasked my friend to try to log in and check to see if it can already change the email and remove phone number so you can already stop being so paranoid!
 
Paranoid as you always are. You keep insisting its hacked, someone hacked it, or i just stole and sell it.
I have guys that do stuff for me while I am away, cause I know, buyers like you (who lack reading comprehension, does whatever he likes even when i give precautionary measure) dont have the patience til I respond or settle the accounts.
My friend didn't even get to log in the accountcause of steamguard, why are you crying about it?
it's not like we changed password and didn't tell you.

I tasked my friend to try to log in and check to see if it can already change the email and remove phone number so you can already stop being so paranoid!
Ok then tell me when did you said, you are trying to change details?
Of course i am being paranoid, you haven't inform me anything about the login and changing details?
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WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
1. i changed gmail information as you said, and i did changed password last hour
2. How about the credit card? because it's not yours?
3. You never told me about away and cannot use PC, stop talking about nonsense
4. I haven't change the email and steam will never let me since i don't have the account information about purchase of ownership
1. so why ask me for account info when you already have the steam account and email?

2. Why you ask for credit card info? Are you serious?
over and over I keep explaining to you, Rather wait than give credit card info.
3. I wasn't able to respond in 2hrs, means I'm away. I didnt block or deleted you right?
Check our discord convo, i sent you screenshots, all twas from a phone. Cause you know why? I dont have pc.

4. Again, if you've read my precautionary measures about changing email and stuff. Over and over i tell you this almost everyday
 
1. so why ask me for account info when you already have the steam account and email?

2. Why you ask for credit card info? Are you serious?
over and over I keep explaining to you, Rather wait than give credit card info.
3. I wasn't able to respond in 2hrs, means I'm away. I didnt block or deleted you right?
Check our discord convo, i sent you screenshots, all twas from a phone. Cause you know why? I dont have pc.

4. Again, if you've read my precautionary measures about changing email and stuff. Over and over i tell you this almost everyday
1. Because i cannot 100% secure the account. Since i cannot turn on my steam mobile phone because your phone still connected with the account. The email that you gave is 2nd email either.
2. Then how can i secure it? you don't have any solution with it.
3. You said you told me that you changing details ? where proof me pls
4. I followed your instruction and its been 6days.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
Ok then tell me when did you said, you are trying to change details?
Of course i am being paranoid, you haven't inform me anything about the login and changing details?

Hey buddy, Its a log in attempt, purpose is to change/remove the phone number as you were bugging me all week to change the email even though i told you wait 10days atleast
Again buddy, read precautionary measures. You keep playing, forgot about reading comprehension
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
1. Because i cannot 100% secure the account. Since i cannot turn on my steam mobile phone because your phone still connected with the account. The email that you gave is 2nd email either.
2. Then how can i secure it? you don't have any solution with it.
3. You said you told me that you changing details ? where proof me pls
4. I followed your instruction and its been 6days.

All that, can be answered if you've ready the precautionary measures i sent you. If you didn't wish to follow that, you must not have said that you are willing to wait.
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WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
Ok then tell me when did you said, you are trying to change details?


Hey buddy, Its a log in attempt, purpose is to change/remove the phone number as you were bugging me all week to change the email even though i told you wait 10days atleast
Again buddy, read precautionary measures. You keep playing, forgot about reading comprehension
Then no wonder i am being paranoid right? You didn't told me that you change details. You change nickname at forum. You changed discord account not name.

So whats your solution about this?
 
WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
I changed details? Did I? Or only did a log in attempt to check if you already changed or not?
Read my first reply in this thread on again why i changed nickname and discord buddy, read first before making assumptions.
Plus, epicnpc dont care about discord or platforms outside of epicnpc, so i can have as many discord accounts as i want. For old/new/ buyers. You don't get to decide if i wanna change my nickname or not
You think ill change nickname and have alternate discord account, and not remove or block you from my main? Hella paranoid


If you were such a paranoid buyer, you shouldn't probably buy anything off the internet buddy.
 
I changed details? Did I? Or only did a log in attempt to check if you already changed or not?
Read my first reply in this thread on again why i changed nickname and discord buddy, read first before making assumptions.
Plus, epicnpc dont care about discord or platforms outside of epicnpc, so i can have as many discord accounts as i want. For old/new/ buyers. You don't get to decide if i wanna change my nickname or not
You think ill change nickname and have alternate discord account, and not remove or block you from my main? Hella paranoid


If you were such a paranoid buyer, you shouldn't probably buy anything off the internet buddy.
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it's been 6days since i bought the account. and i've been following your rules. But today you didn't inform me about anything. About someone tried to login, about your discord, about your nickname. No wonder that im being paranoid. So whats your solution about this? as a buyer i will not fine when the account that i bought haven't secured 100%.
 
WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
bottomline, if you aren't willing to follow seller's methods, then you shouldn't probably proceed.

30mins after purchase you told me you trust me and you were willing to follow the instructions i gave you.

The issue here, is you accused me of hacking the account, and saying i sold you a hacked account.
You know i wouldn't try to log in to check to see if you already changed details, if you were actually willing to wait and didnt keep bothering me telling me why it cant change email yet, where i explained it to you in the first place why it can't and you agreed to wait til it can.
Also, 2hrs of no reply at discord, you already sent a dispute? Not cool. People have life outside discord and epicnpc buddy,

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No wonder that i accused you that you are selling hacked account, since you don't have account's phone number, someone tried to login from AUS, i haven't text you for 3days and no information about it, and when i check the forum you have changed nickname and discord account. Then before trying to login to SOMEONE'S account that you have sold better next time tell the buyer. You haven't told me anything since last 3day.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
You actually had time to open a dispute but didnt have time to actually wait my response.

also, you have steam account, you changed the email's password and etc and changed steam's password. Want to secure it? Then WAIT til steam allows you to remove the phone as you are logged in from new location and you need to wait til it recognized your PC as familiar PC.
Over and over and over.

there's nothing to dispute about, you have the account, i didnt retrieve or hack it.
if you weren't bothering me almost everyday about changing phone( which i told u 100x to wait 10days or til steam allows you to) , i wouldnt try to log in and check if you've actually changed it already.
 
You actually had time to open a dispute but didnt have time to actually wait my response.

also, you have steam account, you changed the email's password and etc and changed steam's password. Want to secure it? Then WAIT til steam allows you to remove the phone as you are logged in from new location and you need to wait til it recognized your PC as familiar PC.
Over and over and over.

there's nothing to dispute about, you have the account, i didnt retrieve or hack it.
if you weren't bothering me almost everyday about changing phone( which i told u 100x to wait 10days or til steam allows you to) , i wouldnt try to log in and check if you've actually changed it already.
You haven't told me anything if after 10days the account still cannot be secured? maybe you need to add more instruction.
 
WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
No wonder that i accused you that you are selling hacked account, since you don't have account's phone number, someone tried to login from AUS, i haven't text you for 3days and no information about it, and when i check the forum you have changed nickname and discord account. Then before trying to login to SOMEONE'S account that you have sold better next time tell the buyer. You haven't told me anything since last 3day.

I tried to log in to check to see if you already changed or not, if not then i wouldve helped you. Just cause i dont have the phone number linked to it you cry like that? Meanwhile you got the email and steam account, you still keep crying about it?
If i did try to dodge you , i should have deleted and blocked you from my main discord.
confused why i had other discord? Then you should have added me on the other discord!!
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
I'm done with my side. I'll let admin decide now.
You got the email and steam account, so theres nothing that i actually need to give to you cause you got what you paid for.
And for selling hacked account accusations? Please added funds history here from 2018 to see where the account originated from.
And your thread title, rename it to "attempted hack by Ychoi" cause i haven't scammed you yet. Rename it as "scammed by Ychoi" later if i actually did

i'm going off now.
 
I'll wait for the solution about the account
since i still cannot fully secured it and someone tried to login the account idk its you or your friend or someone else. and you didn't inform about anything last 3days.
I cannot say you are scammer either because the account haven't been recalled. But someone else trying to login to my account.
 
There is no more responses from seller, and i still cannot secure the account because seller didn't have proof of ownership and stucked phone number to secure the account.
Since seller said he was original owner, and i'm asking for solution to secure the account or a refund in this case.
Please any mods respon,
Thank you.

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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
No response? Really? Or you just hasty? You shouldnt have bought if your attitude is like. You shouldnt have bought if you cant follow my instructions. Return the account then if u cant wait
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
You act as if you dont already have the email and steam account. What am i left to do? Give you my credit card info? I rather get reported than giving that info. Return the steam account and email to me then ill refund your money. Im done with you. Dont act as if i scammed you. You are the worst customer ive ever had
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/report-scammer-hypnot1ze-selling-dota-2-accounts.2329044/ & https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/attempt-hack-by-ychoi-hypnot1ze-and-dont-want-to-be-responsible.2323996/page-2
What a trashbag. Reported me for not responding to him for 2hrs. Accusing me that i scammed him,Unbelievable, then ask forgiveness but still reported me. What a douchebag. Return my email and steam account then ill refund you so you stop barking already.
If the mod here knows how steam account works, would know that, that situation sometimes happen cause its logged in to new countrt/ip, and would need days or even weeks to finally recognize that its a familiar device already.


If the mod doesn't know much about steam then congrats to you, you would look so genius as if you know more about steam accounts than the actual seller itself.

lastly, return my steam account and email if you wish to be refunded. Thats all. Stop barking.

Only two-options.

Return my account & get your refund. Or sit your ass down and wait til steam recognizes your pc as familiar device then you can change everything.
 
What a trashbag. Reported me for not responding to him for 2hrs. Accusing me that i scammed him,Unbelievable, then ask forgiveness but still reported me. What a douchebag. Return my email and steam account then ill refund you so you stop barking already.
If the mod here knows how steam account works, would know that, that situation sometimes happen cause its logged in to new countrt/ip, and would need days or even weeks to finally recognize that its a familiar device already.


If the mod doesn't know much about steam then congrats to you, you would look so genius as if you know more about steam accounts than the actual seller itself.

lastly, return my steam account and email if you wish to be refunded. Thats all. Stop barking.

Only two-options.

Return my account & get your refund. Or sit your ass down and wait til steam recognizes your pc as familiar device then you can change everything.
If it's your account why don't you fill the proof of ownership at first? i don't have to wait until 10days for nothing and wasting my time.
i'll do the refund with trade guardian this time.
 
What a trashbag. Reported me for not responding to him for 2hrs. Accusing me that i scammed him,Unbelievable, then ask forgiveness but still reported me. What a douchebag. Return my email and steam account then ill refund you so you stop barking already.
If the mod here knows how steam account works, would know that, that situation sometimes happen cause its logged in to new countrt/ip, and would need days or even weeks to finally recognize that its a familiar device already.


If the mod doesn't know much about steam then congrats to you, you would look so genius as if you know more about steam accounts than the actual seller itself.

lastly, return my steam account and email if you wish to be refunded. Thats all. Stop barking.

Only two-options.

Return my account & get your refund. Or sit your ass down and wait til steam recognizes your pc as familiar device then you can change everything.
Stop defending yourself it's so damn useless. If you are the original owner, you should just secured the account at the first day that i bought the account. Because you don't have any information to secure the account, how can you say you are the original owner ? And how could someone trying to login to my account that i bought? are you for real? a good seller doing that thing? lmao.
Stop talking and accept my invite TG.
 
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@EpicNPC CM i don't think he is the real owner and pretty sure he don't want to responsible to this problem. I already try to contact him on discord long time ago, no responses.
@hypnot1ze
 
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