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Allywarrior123 (MD), bepallyatyahoo Scammed me of 2 accounts.

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I bought a prot pally from him from here:

http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth..._Pa#Post1809551

I bought a rogue from him here:

http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth...Rog#Post1766669


He sells accounts with xfers purposely down.
Although he sounds like a legitimate individual, what he does is that he first gives you an account, tells you that the account belongs to a close relative/friend, and then 1-2 weeks later, recalls the accounts before the xfer comes back up on the accounts.

When you talk to him on the phone, he will pretend to be nice and empathetic; in reality, all he is doing is giving excuses to drag on. I've tried to talk to him on the phone for 4-5 weeks after accounts were recalled, and I've had no luck whatsoever. When he runs out of excuses, he ignores calls, and tries to run.

From other threads, I found that this wasn't the first time he has done it.
 
Hello,

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First off I didn't scam anything from you at all.

The Rogue account you sold it the guy calls in to change something on the account and gave them a mispelling of the last name and they locked the account and requires a notary to unlock it.


The 2nd account got locked when you told me you tried to change something on the account at that point I scanned and emailed you the copy of the ID from the original OO. And I even faxxed it in and filled out the paper for you. At his point blizzard emails you back and says they now want a notarized copy of this ID as well.

At that point I contact the OO and asked for a notorized copy he said he would mail one to me and I even paid him to make 2 copies to mail one to you also and I have yet to receieve it and you can try to log into the accounts yourself and see that they are still locked. Now how did I scam these accounts exactly? And yes I ignored your phone calls at this point because honestly its getting annoying with you calling 3-4 times a day and calling as late as 11:30pm sometimes now I am sorry but I am married and have a daughter so excuse me if you can't seem to understand the IDEA that when I sold you the accounts they were fine which was 6 weeks ago about a week before I started playing warhammer online.

As far as I am concerned I really don't understand that if I have been trying to help you and even emailed you the ID and so on and so forth how I scammed anything.
 
And as far as saying I sell accounts with the xfer down for a reason you had both of these accounts for over a month meaning you had plenty of time to xfer them to a brand new account or anything else for that matter.
 
Well no I would like everyone to look at this thread and tell me how far am I suppose to go as a seller in this.

I sold you 2 accounts yes both accounts were under your ownership long enough to transfer to new accounts as stated on markee as part of safety when it it comes to securing a account.

Now the first account I sold you was the rogue correct? Alright you had it until the transfer came up in which you decided to sell it to someone no problem at all. You told me in a email and over the phone that when you sold it to the guy you told him to xfer it to a new account correct? But he didn't and he transferred it to a different server but on the same account is what you told me. The guy calls in to blizzard and basically gives them all the correct info such as SQ/SA but spelled the last name wrong so they lock the account.


The second account you also had long enough to transfer it to a new account which is the blood elf paladin. Now when you called me when it first got locked you told me you changed something in it because I didn't put a address in it. That was not true as I told you before and when I created the account it did have a address put in it. But you said you tried to change something on the account but then it got locked after you said you changed something on it correct?

At this point I said let me fax blizzard the ID and paper so it will get unlocked 2 days later the account was still locked and you called me at whihc time I scanned the print out from blizzard that I had already filled out and I also scanned a copy of the ID from the OO that I had. S I emailed you the scanned ID and the document from blizzard I faxxed in.

A day later blizzard emails you and says they want everything notorized you asked me to get in contact with the OO in which I did I sent him cash to send 2 notorized copies of the ID one to you and one to me. Now I haven't recieved mine and nor have you. I can't go beating on the OO's door demanding a notorized copy.

So my questions for Mods is how far am I as a seller suppose to go with the sales of my accounts. Because I have 2 negatives at the moment both from people with decent feedback because they both resold accounts and crap and after some time the accounts got locked the first guy told me as a good seller I should refund him even if he already sold the account to someone else and they got it locked.

And this guy well you can read everything that has happen thus far.
 
I didn't change any contact information on the pally; the pally was locked weeks after no activity in account management. That is why I find it so suspicious that it was locked. You told me that your stepbrother was the original owner of the pally; yet, it's very strange that the account was unsuccessfully unlocked after weeks.

As far as the rogue I received from you that was sold, I'm helping the customer I sold to reopen the account. I copy and pasted the last name you gave me for the rogue to my customer. The customer didn't spell the last name wrong; you just didn't give out the right one.

As you are not the original owner of the accounts, it is quite possible that the original owner in the rogue scenario called blizzard to say that his account was compromised to lock it up. As of yet, I have yet to receive the simple rogue's OO's ID, something of which you said you sent. It's been weeks now and I have yet to receive it.

So now, I'm considering the fact of whether you really are as legitimate as you seem. Either I've been having really bad luck (2/2 accounts were locked up, with no suspicious activity on neither), or it's just that you're up to no good.
 
First off you lied in the post by even trying to say I sell them with the xfer down to recall them yet both of those accounts you have had when the xfers have come up.

2nd off you can call blizzard the same as I did and speak to account management they will tell you they locked the account because of the last name thing.

And as far as the paladin thats not what you told me. You told me over the phone you changed something on the account because you were worried about inaccurate billing. And after it got locked so which is it because you told me something different than what you have said here on these boards.

And in the post you started this with you calling me a scammer saying I sell accounts with the xfer down to recall it. But yet you have had both of these accounts long enough to xfer to new accounts and one of them you even sold with the xfer up. So how am I a scammer again is my question.

And as far as me not giving out the right last name for the rogue you should call blizzrad Monday with the information I gave you and I would like you to post your results here . Give them all the information I gave you and ask blizzard why the account was locked. Theyw ill tell you the same thing they told me or better yet give the info to a mod and see if they will be nice enough to verify it.Because honestly you are lieing about a few things in this post.
 
ROFL I am lost what does posting our last AIM conversation (as if I didn't know you would do it) everything in that I have said on these boards. The fact you are changing the story around from what you told me on the phone.

And the fact that I PM'ed you telling you I would no longer help you because you full of it.
 
Quote from the PM you sent to me.

Locked the thread about you so we could resolve this issue in privacy.

Would you happen to know the status on the notary for the pally's account? I understand it takes some time, but it's already been a week and though it might not be your fault, it's likely that the original owner didn't mail it out on purpose.
Would you be able to please email me the rogue's owner ID?

Thanks, I'd appreciate that.
(We'll talk on MarkeeDragon so that you aren't disturbed irl)


End Quote


So basically I am a scammer who sends you a ID for the paladin account?


And I am still waiting for a reply from the mods on this site as to how far am I suppose ot go as a seller and if I can no longer help would I be considered a scammer?
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: allywarrior123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quote from the PM you sent to me.

Locked the thread about you so we could resolve this issue in privacy.

Would you happen to know the status on the notary for the pally's account? I understand it takes some time, but it's already been a week and though it might not be your fault, it's likely that the original owner didn't mail it out on purpose.
Would you be able to please email me the rogue's owner ID?

Thanks, I'd appreciate that.
(We'll talk on MarkeeDragon so that you aren't disturbed irl)


End Quote


So basically I am a scammer who sends you a ID for the paladin account?


And I am still waiting for a reply from the mods on this site as to how far am I suppose ot go as a seller and if I can no longer help would I be considered a scammer? </div></div>

Sure, if you've just been taken for 2 accounts and a couple hundred dollars, wouldn't resolving the situation be your first priority? As far as I know, you were ignoring me before this thread was even started. Looks like it caught your attention.

At this point, a plausible reason as to why you sell accounts so cheaply is possibly because they were illegitimate/stolen.
Accounts are under different names and as you've been an MD member for so long, you haven't had any buy threads on most of them. This is a reasonable speculation.

By this point, I'm not expecting any help from you; scammers don't give help. Some are just better at concealing the fact than others by pushing deadlines and sweet-talking on the phone. I just want discourse and awareness that something like this could be happening in the community.
 
We spoke on the phone 3 days ago do you remember that? So basically I ignored you one night of phone calls because my daughter is sick is that what you mean?

And as far as what I have been doing to help you are not the one who got off your butt to find out why the rogue account was even locked you had me to call and find out what was going on.

And as far as the paladin I sent you all the info including ID for it along witht he form I sent a day or 2 later they emailed you wanting it notarized. I contacted the OO and asked him to mail them out I haven't gotten mine no you. So what am I not doing?


Facts are you trying to lie and say I gave you the wrong info on the rogue account and you sold it and all that jazz. First of all you haven't even called blizzard to find out if the infomation I gave you match if you had called them you wouldn't be making a statement of saying I gave you the wrong infomation. (Which makes you a bad seller and buyer imo)

It also makes you a drama queen for these boards because you are posting inaccurate information because you haven't even gone out of your way to check. Now blizzard sends a email before they lock any account can you forward that email to one of the mods here. Also please give them the account info for the rogue or get off your butt and check it yourself because even posting something you don't even know to be true.

And you won't even admit I wouldn't answer your calls for one night so you jump off the deep end. And to put out the facts I didn't ignore your phone call that night I turned off all the ringers on all the phones in the house so my daughter could sleep.

Please respond to these questions.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: allywarrior123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We spoke on the phone 3 days ago do you remember that? So basically I ignored you one night of phone calls because my daughter is sick is that what you mean? </div></div>

I've called nearly a dozen times and it's been about a week since we've last talked. Last time we talked, you told me that a notary was already sent to my mailing address; it wasn't. And that was when you began to ignore me.

And btw,

Sure, if you've just been taken for 2 accounts and a couple hundred dollars, wouldn't resolving the situation be your first priority? As far as I know, you were ignoring me before this thread was even started. Looks like it caught your attention.

At this point, a plausible reason as to why you sell accounts so cheaply is possibly because they were illegitimate/stolen.
Accounts are under different names and as you've been an MD member for so long, you haven't had any buy threads on most of them. This is a reasonable speculation.

By this point, I'm not expecting any help from you; scammers don't give help. Some are just better at concealing the fact than others by pushing deadlines and sweet-talking on the phone. I just want discourse and awareness that something like this could be happening in the community.
 
WoW you still haven't answered the question how did I scam you of anything.

The first account your new buyer called in and gave them the wrong spelling of the last name not the name that I emailed to you.

Second off I sent you the ID I had for the paladin and even the fax document I sent to them. And they now want a notarizec copy.Which Id on't have and can only ask the OO for it.

So what did I scam. All the information I have provided is true and you can even called blizzard yourself on Monday to verify the rogue details and the reason it was locked.

And the last time we spoke was Oct. 30th and you are prob right you have called atleast 12 times between Oct 30th - Nov 1st hence I I stated I started getting annoyed from the phone calls.

So tell me how I am a scammer?
 
They don't require a ID to be notarized without reason as well.

I will just wait for mods to repond at this point I am not going to continue I have given them all the details and so have you .

Just waiting for them to review it all and we will see where we go from there.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/365274-md-nomorecow-aim-nomorecow4me-alive-3.html#post2178361
You say "and as far as" way too much.

/thread
 
I'm not going to take any time reading this thread but BE pally also scammed 2 accounts from me. A druid and a paladin.

He's a shifty son of a b i t c h. Best not to deal with him
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alexandra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Sean I'm sure you can post proof of that eh?
Did you make a scam thread on him? </div></div>

Due to the nature of his activities, it is very difficult to provide undeniable evidence that he scammed. However, through the results with dealing with him, there is overwhelming speculation that he is up to no good.
 
I just noticed something weird. Even banned characters exist within guilds for an extended duration of time and on the armory; this simply was not the case here. The blood elf pally was unlocked from right underneath me and recalled. He left the guild I was in, and seemed to have name changed to try to slide underneath the radar.
 
I middlemanned for my friend, while Pikey middlemanned for bepallyatyahoo, everything went fine, my mate put the funds into my account, and then I put them into Pikey's paypal account, and thus he handed them over, my mate got the account.

Pikey even showed me forum posts from kathunx about a group called the jackal's who dealt with people who scammed.

http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth...Rog#Post1766669

This is the Rogue we were dealing over.

When my mate got the account, we noticed the account has just been put onto a new account and thus the xfer timer was down, so my friend wasn't able to transfer it to his desired server.

2 weeks after the sale, the account got recalled back, spoke to bepallyatyahoo over AIM, and he said his mate recalled it back, he is now going to speak to his mate's mother about this, and when they repay him, my friend will get his money back.

Still have not heard a thing from him, and have not seen any money back.

I am now sure he has just completely changed his AIM, because he hasn't even logged into it, within the last month.

P.S I will get some screenshots of AIM logs over the next few days, just gotta go through them all
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The original date from when my mate put the funds into my paypal and then I put them into Pikey's was the "23 Aug. 2008" and the account was pretty much recalled 2 weeks after that, I was just waiting on a never returning email from bepallyatyahoo regarding this.

The amount I transferred was "$670.00 USD", so its not really just some small amount.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WarcraftExpress</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just noticed something weird. Even banned characters exist within guilds for an extended duration of time and on the armory; this simply was not the case here. The blood elf pally was unlocked from right underneath me and recalled. He left the guild I was in, and seemed to have name changed to try to slide underneath the radar. </div></div>

This was also the things which happened to me and my mate, the character just completely disappeared from armory as if it didnt exist at all, thus we were thinking it was a name change, seeing as the xfer wasn't even up.
 
Nomak, that was the exact rogue that I bought. Even though he didn't post any pictures on the new link, I can prove that I previously possessed that rogue.

Ya know, the rogue with the murloc suit, all s3 weapon sets, offhand sunwell dagger, and 7/8 T6 (if I remember correctly, just without the slayer boots) right?

If that is so, Nomak, then he's been repeatly using that rogue to scam people. I'm uploading images of the rogue soon so that you can verify if that's him.
 
<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="color: #33FF33">Hey Nomak, this look familiar?</span></span>
<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">Hey BEPally, how does it feel?</span></span>











 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nomak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I middlemanned for my friend, while Pikey middlemanned for bepallyatyahoo, everything went fine, my mate put the funds into my account, and then I put them into Pikey's paypal account, and thus he handed them over, my mate got the account.

Pikey even showed me forum posts from kathunx about a group called the jackal's who dealt with people who scammed.

http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth...Rog#Post1766669

This is the Rogue we were dealing over.

When my mate got the account, we noticed the account has just been put onto a new account and thus the xfer timer was down, so my friend wasn't able to transfer it to his desired server.

2 weeks after the sale, the account got recalled back, spoke to bepallyatyahoo over AIM, and he said his mate recalled it back, he is now going to speak to his mate's mother about this, and when they repay him, my friend will get his money back.

Still have not heard a thing from him, and have not seen any money back.</div></div>


This was the exact scenario I was put up with. When I bought the rogue via Western Union, I found that it was put on a brand new account on a deserted server. The rogue was then recalled exactly right when the xfer came back up.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nomak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am now sure he has just completely changed his AIM, because he hasn't even logged into it, within the last month.</div></div>

He is logged on, Nomak, it's just that he's set to invisible so people that he's scammed can't pester him. Here's a conversation I had with him about it.




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nomak</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> P.S I will get some screenshots of AIM logs over the next few days, just gotta go through them all
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Same here.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nomak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This was also the things which happened to me and my mate, the character just completely disappeared from armory as if it didnt exist at all, thus we were thinking it was a name change, seeing as the xfer wasn't even up. </div></div>

Same here.
 
Yeah I do know that he stays in off-line mode, but I leave my computer on always, and I leave an open conversation with him, so it will tell me when he comes or goes off-line, and it never has, not for the last 10 or so days anyway, since I have reformatted.

But yes, that is exactly the same rogue.

When did you initially trade, and what was the date he recalled it back?

But its sad thou, Pikey who is a moderator of MD middle-manned for him, and he said this bepally was a mate of his, thus giving me that bit of safety you normally look for before trading, I was gratefully wrong.

Before we traded, Pikey showed me the thread about "The Jackals" and what they had done to another member when he scammed someone here, Seeing as this bloke is doing this with the exact same character, and has done it multiply times, If kathunx is reading this, I would like their assistance.
 
I feel like I need to clarify my involvement here.

I've never referred to BEpally as my mate (or friend), what I have said is that I've had a successful trade with him in the past which is evidenced by the positive feedback I've left him.

While I do not believe that my limited involvement this fiasco is called middle-manning, it may be misrepresented as such and therefore I would like to clarify that I did this as 'Pikey, member of the Markee Dragon community' and not as 'Moderator Pikey, internet police'.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WwxJackxwW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i love these threads, it's like a whodunnit! bump! </div></div>

It was Colonel Mustard with a Knife in the Library. seriously.
 
Wondering if anyone could give me some kind of options to get my money back from bepally, he has seriously done nothing to help me, kept on saying stories which were completely false, he tries his best to avoid me, not contacting me, never being online in AIM.
 
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