account recovery by seller luluil

Rekai29 · Jul 18, 2017

Information
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Dispute Date: e.g. july 18, 2017

Method of Contact Used: Skype

Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: leonardi_davide

EpicNPC username of the person you're accusing: luluil

Your Instant Messenger ID: never_ever14 / nehimiah

Other information:

DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about? an account bought in april

Link of transaction thread: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/111...Dandelion-Kzarka-Kutum-3-Pet-amp-Ranger-lvl56

Approximate value of property: 165 euro

Was a middleman used? yes

If yes, who? The Integrity

Provide information about the dispute and what lead to it: i will post screenshots

Other details / notes:

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!

Chat Logs:
this is what my buyer sent me before he lost the access to the account

As you can see no email from bdo for possible password change or anything.

is your method of contact. skype my username is never_ever14

Pictures/Screenshots:
Other proof: ofc i contacted the guy that sold me the account, noone else could recover this account except the real owner, everything is written here,

https://blackdesert.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210745969-Email-Change

here he said that the account is not his and the name on the register account does not match.

il post what he wrote on that screenshot, its in italian.

[17/07/2017 12:37:42] Davide Leonardi: Ah io ci posso fare tanto quanto te
[17/07/2017 12:38:14] Davide Leonardi: Io di quell'account avevo solo l'email e quando l'ho venduto a te non avevo più nulla
[17/07/2017 12:41:53] Nehimiah: ahhh , ha detto che è stato cambiato l'email, l unico persona che riesce a farlo sei tu , che hai il documento valido ?
[17/07/2017 12:42:37] Davide Leonardi: Ma io non ho il mio nome associato l'account, l'ho comprato anche io
[17/07/2017 12:42:56] Davide Leonardi: Io l'ho semplicemente rivenduto quando non avevo più tempo da dedicarci
[17/07/2017 12:43:39] Nehimiah: ohhh who is it?
[17/07/2017 12:44:16] Davide Leonardi: Un tipo che conoscevo quando giocavo su archeage
[17/07/2017 12:44:52] Davide Leonardi: Onestamente non ho neanche idea di come contattarlo, l'ultima volta che l'ho sentito era su archeage quando mi ha venduto l'account per degli oggetti su archeage

after talking to him regarding of possible paypal refund he "changed" his mind as shown on this 2nd pic

as usual il post here what he said on that screenshot so you can google translate.

Comunque piccola informazione perchè mi sono sbagliato, quell'account è quello a mio nome, quello che ho venduto subito dopo era quello del ragazzo che me lo ha venduto
In ogni caso, io posso provare a mandare un email con una delle mie email e aprire un ticket con quella
E vedere cosa mi dicono
E' il massimo che posso fare, ed è l'ultima volta che faccio una cosa del genere
Perchè non è possibile che ogni volta che hai un problema con quell'account vieni da me
Io l'ho venduto, non sono il tuo tecnico
Sono una persona che ti ha venduto una cosa, non lavoro per te e non posso esserci ogni volta che hai un problema

this is the screenshot of the email of which we have his name on the account, there is no way you can change a registered name on black desert online, once u register with a name, its fix and will never be change.

black desert online is not like the other games where u can change email with a single click, u need a valid ID of the registered account and a screenshot of the email u sent them that you want to change the email.

il sum everything on this last line,
i bought this account to Davide Leonardi on april and sold this account last july 15, on july 17 my buyer lost the access to the game account, he tried contacting the bdo support for answers and this was the gm's answer:

as you can see here, the gm said that there was no bdo game client linked on this email, while u can see this email last july 14 for a lost password email.

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EpicNPC CM · Jul 18, 2017

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luluil · Jul 18, 2017

I will still say that I didn't recovered it... In my humble opinion he simply sold the account (Infact he did, just look at his Thread History) to someone and he want to recover it using these little tricks... It's not the first time that I sell things on this Site and never had a problem, if a wanted to start to recover Accounts I would have started with Account of 500+ Euro valor that I sold, for sure not a 100euro one.

If you can forward solid proofs that I recovered it, go ahead, but you can't because I didn't... And for sure I will not forward my ID (Or give any possibility to access to it) to someone casually on the Internet only because he requested so.

Edit: And I don't know why I should be labelled as "banned" or "trade with caution" because someone is trying to not be honest with me... I even offer my help to him to try to recover the Account, he threated me multiples time (One saying that he will make pay me everything he spent on the account (Thing that he can't do, and he even used it like in this Thread to make me look I was getting scared and after that I admitted that the account was mine, he CAN'T retrieve any money from me in any case, so I'm not scared of any PayPal Refund, I simply looked on the Accounts that I selled (I sold two, one that was on my name and one that wasn't) and I thought that this one was the other one, when I saw it, I said it to him immediately for being CORRECT TO HIM, I could have stay quite that anything would not have changed), the second time instead, he said "Oh, you live in Milan too, "****" precisely... Nice to know, I live there too"), after all these threats I refused to help him.

(It's not the first time that he contacted me for a problem with the Account and the hypotetical need to recover it after he sold it to someone, he did another time like 3 weeks ago but without going forward with the request)

doomedtofail · Jul 18, 2017

If bdo requires id to change email, and you did not give that out, you are only one that could have. So at this point contact bdo and recover account and return it to Rekai29

luluil · Jul 18, 2017

It was my plan and I was willing to do it without problem (Even in the Screenshots that he forwarded I said that I was gonna do it), but after he threatened me multiple times I refused to do so.

You want to ban me from this site without any proof and only because someone is saying so? (Someone that is the only one that can gain something) Go ahead and do it ban me close this Thread and end it, but is not something right in my personal opinion, even when the one that should be banned is someone that IRL threatened someone else or that is giving away in a Public Forum your Name (A thing that could be easily forwarded privately to an Admin), things that in a lot of States can be punished by law.

I still value the respect a person can/could give to you, even more when a person is trying to help you in the first place, and as I said is not the first time that he contacted me for something related to recover the Account after he sold it to someone (Thing that I never did, because the first time he said that wasn't needed in the end), something is just not right, and I'm not here to resolve everytimes the problems HE create with that Account, I'm not at his service and I don't work for him, I even been kind enough everytime to answer him, thing that I was not supposed to do.

I'm not gain anything from it (The BDO Account can be easly make banned (And I even suggested it to him in the first place, thing that is not so smart if I wanted to use/sell the Account again, when I could simply block him and don't even asnwer to him) so what I'm gaining in recovering it? An Account that I can't sell/use it for play?), so much probably something happened (Or is not telling all the truth or he is making up some facts) that made that situation happen.

I'm in peace with myself, I was willing to help as you can say from the Skype-Conversation (Even if I felt something was not right) but I was threated like a dummy/**** by him...

It's not right that people can do what they feel freely and threat people badly (With IRL threatening to someone and even now on that Thread make me look like I got scared of a refund (That he can't have/achieve in any case, so the classic "Hope is a 15yo child and he get scarred and do what I want") that hypothetically made me change my mind) and keep getting everything they want, even more when you suspect that someone is doing something fishy and you feel that something is just not right.

This is my final statement, do what you feel is right.

EDIT: Oh and I just noticed something funny, he said to me on Skype that is not the first time that he sold that Account... I looked in his Forum History and I found that

He sold it: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1141609-EU-lv58-Ninja-Full-Boss-and-Epheria-Sailboat-Soon
After that, he opened another dispute saying that the User CSILLCSABI requested a refund after he gain the Account: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1145758-payment-reversed-by-csillcsabi
And after a while he tried to resell the Account again: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1162354-lv-58-ninja-with-FULL-BOSS-GEAR and he selled it to the User Veusty (According on what is written in the Thread)

How he recover it the first time? Since I didn't help him doing so (And If what you say is right, am I not the only one supposed to be able to do so?)... So how is that possible? This is why I will keep saying that something is not right, and he is the one that should be banned for various reasons (Tentative of Scamming multiple people, IRL Threatening and Private Data reveal on a Public Enviroment).

Rekai29 · Jul 18, 2017

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luluil · Jul 18, 2017

1) How did you recovered it if you are not "Davide Leonardi"? And the E-Mail was in possess of the one that you sold the Account the first time? Logic, that mean that you are able to recover the Account. (And I will say it again, you are putting Private Data on a Public Enviroment)

2) Point 1)

3) You threatened me two times, first time saying "I will make you pay everything I spend on the Account, you will reiceve some E-Mail from PayPal this evening" when you can't do that, you can't chargeback/gain anything from me, and you know it... So is a threat and ALSO a false threat with the purpose of only scaring someone to obtain what you want in the hope that he is not experienced enough to know how things works, that is even worse.
The second time you said after I didn't answer for 3Hours because I was not at at the PC: "Oh, you live in Milan too, "****" precisely... Nice to know, I live there too", this is a veiled threat like "I know where you live"...
And now you are saying that you didn't threathened me... But did you notice that in the Screenshot that you posted in this Thread you even said to me on Skype "E scusa se ti ho minacciato" traslated in "And sorry if I threatened you"... So don't play game please you even apologized for it.

4) I didn't "REMEMBERED", I "CHECKED", that is a different matter, and I checked it for YOU, not for me, because I don't care about your problems or your Accounts, I checked trying to HELP YOU... If you want to try to scam people try harder.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

as i said, after getting a notification on paypal i recovered that account using normal questions to the email hotmail.com that u gave me, but now that email is empty.

Just return the account to my buyer and close this problem. Only you can help him.

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do it for him. not for me

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

Yeah sure, the only problem is that when you sell an Account the first thing you do is changing the Recovery Method of the E-Mail so the new owner is the only one that can recover it.

In any case, sorry, I do not trust you, you gave me only reasons to think that you are one of these that like to scam people and gain wealth with it.

And for sure I will not help someone that threatened me multiple times or gave away Personal Data on a Public Forum (When you could have did it in private with an Admin of EpicNPC that would have been the same for your purpose).

EpicNPC will do what is the best, if they think that I should be banned, it's their decision, even if I will not share it, I will respect it.

I don't feel even marginally that I'm in wrong, I did everything correctly and I even did much more of what I should've done, always with respect and empaty towards you.

In my opinion the one that should be banned for his behavior is you, not me, but I do not rule over anything and I'm only a User that is part of the Community of that "Portal".

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

Davide we are only going back and forth. Release the info back to email [email protected] and help him, there is no doubt that u changed that email. And now im sure u have the access to the new email. Help him not me,

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

As I said, I did not change anything and I don't have access to any "new email"... I said what I needed to say, now the decision is on EpicNPC hands... And even if what I feel have zero value, personally, I don't find your behaviour acceptable.

A lesson that you should learn is that when someone is helping you trying to resolve your mess or the problem you caused by yourself, you should not threat him, giving away Personal Data recklessly or give him a lack of respect... Because I was going to help you recover the Account... But right now I'm pretty sure you create by yourself some problems trying to scam someone else.

Edit: And this have literally no logic sense, the Account will be banned 100%, what I'm gaining from it if what are you saying is true? See where everything does not make any sense? At the beginning of our conversation on Skype I even told you to make Ban the Account if you weren't able to recover it.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

Doomedtofail already understood my point,

sure the account will be bann cause my buyer already contacted his credit card company, he is waiting for kakao to answer,

me and my buyer already comed to an agreement of refunding some
money,

lastly stil acting clean, my buyer was online when he got disconnected ingame and the ip that disconnected him is from muggio' thats the only info he released me, i have a screenshot of that, he confirmed then, he relogged in to that account the day my buyer was stil online, i really have no idea how he did that but he linked me a screenshot of the ip that disconnected him ingame.

come now davide, how do you explain such an event, its no coincidence.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

Doomedtofail only answered at one comment, he didn't had all the infos... And as I said, if EpicNPC think that I should be banned, I will accept and respect it, even if I think that after what you did, you should be the one.

For the rest... Yeah for sure, and my cousin is an hacker too that work at Blizzard.
Come on, you are being ridicolous.

So if the Account will be banned anyway because he already contacted his Credit Card Company/Kakao, what's the point of that discussion? It's the first thing I said to you "Make Kakao Ban the Account, so who stole it can't use it".

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

this is his IP. ***.21.191.204

this is the ip that disconnected him ingame

can an admin see if they have the same ip?

i will blur the first 3 numbers cause i believe this is a personal info, private message me for the first 3 numbers admins

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

And check also if it is his IP, thank you.

I will wait a response.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

how do you keep insisting?

dommedtofail read the requirements to change an email, he saw the screenshot of the actual email with your name in it. who else in the world is named Davide Leonardi that knows this account and stil u tell us u have no access to the new email and you are clean, smh,

how do u explain the recent email change? even a screenshot from the gm confirmed that there is no bdo game linked to that email where 3 days before they sent an "forgot passosrd" email?

i will send a screnshot of what my buyer sent me when he got the ip of the person that disconnected him to an admin. how come its the same city where you live? all this is not coincidence, the guy that recovered and changed the email is you.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

The fact is that you are the one that supposed that I live in that place, for sure I will not confirm or deny my location to someone that is threating me.

The only thing you did is confirming that YOU live there saying "I live in the same place".

I think that when the Admins will check the IPs we will have what I'm expecting.

Pointless to discuss any further, waiting for an Admin response.

doomedtofail · Jul 19, 2017

Luluil only you could change the email if a photo id is required. It is simple what happened here. So give me access to email and i will verify account is not there.

I need remainder of ip to search it.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

i am waiting for my buyer to come online so he can give you the email of the account, il pm u the remaining ip adress

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buyer notified, he will message you soon

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

I will not give anything, I'm sure that I did nothing wrong, just ban me so.

I thought that EpicNPC would be a little bit more suspicious of someone that ALREADY recover that Account once WITHOUT MY ID, and he sold it AGAIN...
He found a way to recover the Account without my ID, or is using a false ID with my Name (He know the name, is not that hard to do... And BDO does not verifie the ID (How they can verifie ID from other States without even the need to send the ID-Card Number/Code that is not even required to be showed), they simply look that it look like a real ID.)
Much probably that time something did not work or did not went according to his plans and now he need me, same happened the last time that he asked for a recover, infact after he said that he didn't need it anymore (aka, he found the way to recover it by himself)

Doomedtofail, I don't want have any lack of respect towards you, but if you say "Only you can change the email if ID is required" it means that it doesn't seems you are much expect of the whole process, and I give you enough info (That Rekai29 confirmed in these Posts) to start doubting about him... As I said, if you want to ignore it, go ahead and ban me...

Feel pointless to even discuss, I said what I needed to say, if you want to ignore it, go ahead, I prefer to get banned not rightly that helping someone that IRL threatened me and that I'm sure is trying to scam people.

The fun fact is that he said that the 151.21.191.204 IP disconnected his buyer, but that is his IP and is even not smart enough to notice it, literally admitting that he did that.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

case close. with all my screenshot against him, he stil ignore what doomedtofail said, ofc they will ban you, you saw my post last saturday with the account and filed a email change right away, Monday my buyer lost the email, how funny is that, stil accusing me that i changed the email? my name is not Davide Leonardi, this is a proof . not just random theory. My buyer already got an answer from kakao and i think they will hold the account for further investigation,

the account value of this account is now 500 eu+ he saw all this when he recovered the account and surely he will resell this account, unfortunately kakao will hold this account til my buyer gets a final answer, sorry for u davide leonardi you wont gain a single euro.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

I'm not losing anything, I'm in peace with myself, and you tried to scam people... The only one that will lose something is you...

The fun fact is that I was the one to say to make the Account ban, and you don't seems to understand it... This is where your logic stop.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

see how complicated it is to change a email in bdo

Email Change

GM Dew May 16, 2017 09:11
In order to maintain account security, we do not offer email changes through the website or account management page. We can only offer E-Mail changes to the original owner of the account. If you wish to change the email address linked to your account, you can contact customer support.

When contacting customer support please ensure the following:

You must contact us from the new email address you created.
State the email address your account is currently associated with.
A photo of your photo ID card, taken in front of today's physical newspaper clearly showing the date, or over your screen showing your open ticket needs to be added as an attachment to the ticket. Please understand we will have to delete the tickets with the incorrectly added pictures, which may slow down the process for you.
No information can be obstructed in any way.
Please note that we will deny any email address transfer if the above information is missing or incorrect.

Please also ensure that:

The ID is a valid government-issued document and has not expired.
The picture of ID is added as an attachment to the ticket. Pictures added as external links or added directly to the message will not be accepted.
The image is clear and readable.
The image or any of the information is not obscured.
The image is not manipulated in any way.
The ticket in the background of your ID is an already sent one. We will not accept a picture where the ticket in the background is still in creation, or where you hold your ID against the Knowledge Base article or an online newspaper.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

As you want, as I said is pointless to discuss, I was honest to the end, I only hope that Doomedtofail check the IPs and see that is your IP, so you will look stupid twice and you will get banned.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

if you cannot understand english use google. Changing the email is not Simple!!!! how many times do i have to say this, smh. Honest? i dont think so, you had the account from the start, acting like you wanted to help us, you just want to get out of this trouble with no problem, in the end you cant. doomtofail will check the email now, if he confirm that the account is now empty, u will be banned. im willing to cooperate til the end, not like this guy. "just bann me" he already gaved up and doesnt care anymore. All the odds is against him.

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i am on my celphone now, il be home after 45m -1h, i will send my ip at home to any admin that needs it, all the info, like i said i will cooperate til the end,

now we need admins to control the ip i posted, useless getting answer from luluil.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

The one that have hard time speaking proper english is you.

What I'm trying to do is trying to make people avoid to being scammed by you again.

I can't care less of a Forum Account, but I care about people that can be scammed by some random dude on Internet.

So yes, I don't care if I get banned on this Forum.

You are accusing me to want to resell the Account when I'M THE ONE who told you to MAKE THE ACCOUNT BAN, when I could simply block you right away on Skype and don't answer you.

I already have no problem, the only thing I hope is that EpicNPC/Doomedtofail will open the eyes, and when the IPs check will take place you will get what you deserve.

As I said, I'm done... When the IPs Check will take place also take in consideration that he IRL Threatened me.

Not going to cooperate with a Scammer.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

he keeps redirecting the problem to another matter. He cant answer a simple question regarding a email change,

like i said before cssb tried to scam me and fail. i recovered the account cause the money cssb sent me is on hold. i am willing to discuss this matter to cssb and surely not with you.

threatened? i simply said, i will ask for a refund on paypal and to u it sounded like" ill kill you" smh, i followed that i was happy that he lives near my city so if everything went well we can hang out in person, how is this a threat? i will post all the screenshot of what i said to him,

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

1) Which question? If the question is "Did you change the E-Mail?" I already answered in every single post that I made... No I didn't.

2) Or you scammed him and make him ban from the Forum so he can't reply? Thing that you are also doing to me?

3) Yes Threatened, and the fact is that YOU ADMITTED to have done it... You even APOLOGIZED FOR THREATINING ME (Damn, you even posted a Screenshot about it, this is how much smart you are), so now you want to look a fun guy that want to hang out with me... But when I didn't answer you on Skype for 3Hours you started going mad and started saying that you know where I live... When I said that I had things to do and you should not threating me you responded something like "It's 3 hours that I'm waiting you".

4) You are so smart that you gave to the Admin the IP that disconnected your Buyer Account, and it is your IP. This is how smart you are.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

1) then explain the recent email change.

2) we waited 1 week or 2 for him to get online, he never got online. Why is that? 1 reason, scammer.

3) at that point i understood what happened, with the email recently changed noone else in the world that could have done it but you, i tried to be gentle and act like a didnt know nothing, because i really wanted the account back to my buyer.

4) hmm, it was mine, i was sure that my ip was different so i asked him, so he told me, maybe because i was the last IP online on that account. im willing to clear this, im sure there is a mistake here.

my buyer is online atm at skype, he is willing to cooperate to the admins.

Veusty · Jul 19, 2017

I'm the buyer, if someone needs infomartions, i'm here.
I just lost 350€ though this account and Black Desert support tell me there is no more account with this email, so someone changed it.
I just sent to EPICNPC profile the e-mail with password, he can check by himself.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

I think you just got scammed by him and he is trying to do the same thing he did with another Buyer of that Account on that Forum (Check his Post/Thread history, and everything will be more clear even to you), but this time something went wrong and he is trying to blame me for his mess, be sure to make the Account banned so he can't use it or re-sell it again.

Anyway I'm done, I gave every information that I could give, I'm tired of manipulative people that start to threatening people when they do things that are wrong and do not go accordingly how they want.

Admins take your decision, I don't care at this point, if you can't notice a real scammer or someone that IRL threath people without a real reason, is your problem to keep it in the Forum, not mine.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

stop calling me a scammer, explain this then.

Veusty · Jul 19, 2017

But luluil, if you are the real owner, you can give it back to us you know. We are waiting for this, or a refund.
Only owner of the account can keep it back like this, i did a ticket and they tell me the email was changed.
You are the only one who can do this, because ONLY owner can do this.

I don't know how it happens, if it's not you.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

He payed you using a method where he could block his payment (And it was before the 60days, because even there after 60days you can't) because he didn't trust you... And when you recovered the Account he locked the Payment, simple as that, and you made him banned on the Forum.

And anyway, screenshots have a low value in any case, they can be accepted on the this Forum, but it take like 5 minute to photoshop what you want... Not saying that you did that, but take that in consideration in the future.

In any case, as you want... I already said it, I will not help you recover the Account, you are a person not worth it, and you are a scammer... It's your problem now, I'm sorry for the buyer, but as I said is your responsability of what you have done.

I'm not an Account Assistant that everytime there is a problem with the Account people contact me for recover it, I sold it, now all the problem are on the new owner. You messed up and did something wrong, now you pay for it, you don't blame others for what you did trying to gain wealth in fishy ways.

Edit: Veusty, I don't know either what happened... But he found a way to recover the Account without me, as I said if you read the previous Post, he already spoke to me one time about to recover the Account, but after that he recovered by himself and sold the account again.
Just make the Account ban and ask him a refund, he is not a trusthworty person after all that.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

after talking to luluil , we lost hope of getting back the account, so veusty and me talked about refund some of his money, same thing i will do to cssb if he had come online to this site or skype, i wont gain anything. im open to solutions, im here to help, not like you.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

The only problem that I was willing to help you, but you started threatening me because you panicked after did something wrong and you had no way out of the situation.

I'm sorry Veusty that this happened to you.

Veusty · Jul 19, 2017

Can you just can give it back to me please luluil, i lost too much money for it.
I waste 150€ in cash shop in and 200€ to Rekai.
I can't be refund..

I did nothing bro, can you just do this for me please. I work a lot for this

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

if luluil is not willing to cooperate with veusty, i will refund him. like what we had already talked about

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

It is his problem, he scammed you... And I will do not do anything that goes in his favor, not after all the threatening that he gave to me... And for what I know you can even be a second Account from him or a friend that made up all that for make me recover the Account for him.

So the refund is his problem, the only thing I can say is that you should for sure make the Account ban, so he can't resell it in the future.

I can't just process Recovery every time there is a problem, let's take this case as example, if every single time something similar happen, do I need to every time recover the Account for any new buyer? For example you sell the Account and the exact same thing happen, do I need every time do to it? No, it's not how things work... I'm not your/his/anybody assistant and I do not work for you/him/anybody, I sold the Account and close the Chapter, he is the one that he keep contacting me on skype or send me PVT MSG on this Forum saying "Can you add me please on Skype, is urgent" and talking about Recovery.

I'm living my life, and I'm not supposed to do any of that, and if that mean a Ban on this Forum... Ok, I don't find it right in any way possible, but I will accept it.

And when HE IS THE ONE risking to get his Account banned he's open to fully refund... It should not be how things work, he should the one be banned... But in any case, be sure to make the BDO Account Banned, so he can't re-sell it and make up what he lost on refunding you.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

luluil, did u saw what i just answered? you are having difficulty on understanding english.

i said if you are not willing to give the account back to him, I WILL refund him. we already talked about this, why am i the scammer again? if he will get back some of his money back from me?

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

Well, I know that after all this discussion Logic is not your best quality...

But trying to scam a person, seeing that you are not able to, refund and avoid a Ban/Negative Feedback on the Forum is the most reasonable option for you.
It's basic logic... You tried, you weren't able, you are trying to avoid the Ban/Negative Feedback (That would mean no more money for you).
And if he don't ban the Account in few days you have an Account to sell with even more stuff than before (Since he said that he spent money in the Cash Shop), here we go what you did.

You did it before but the previous Buyer was lucky enough to be able to lock the Payment in time and you made him banned on the Forum.
You provide (And admitted) proof of IRL Threatening by yourself.
Your IP is the one that disconnected your buyer.
Do you see that you are the one with the most evidence of scamming?

You want to blame me and try to make me Ban? Ok, but you are the one in wrong.

Rekai29 · Jul 19, 2017

wow, stil going on with this.

waiting for an admin reply.

i cant see why he dont want to help veusty, all of this started from an email change.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

I don't want to help YOU, and resolve YOUR problems that you caused because you're a scammer... That is different.

doomedtofail · Jul 19, 2017

[MENTION=359284]luluil[/MENTION] ban in 24 hours if you do not return account. contact support if you have to and thats final. this is your only warning. DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD for any more arguing. IF the email is changed that requires photo id. And only you have it.

Now heres how this will work, if luluil does not return account, Rekai will refund the 200. Rekai will then charge back luluil. Veusty then charge back the payments to the BDO account. Then luluil is out an account as well as it will be negative 150.

luluil · Jul 19, 2017

Ban me straight away so, you are so in his part that he even gave you the IP that did that and stole the Account and it is his IP and you are keep saying that was by me, so just ban me...

Anyway he can't chargeback me... Virtual Good invoved (No protection), PayPal Gift used, 60+ Days Passed... I'm not the first idiot that you can scam, if you have the support of a Forum that don't care about fact, better for you... But for sure I will not get charge off of problems of other people.

Have a good night everybody!

doomedtofail · Jul 19, 2017

luluil you are refusing to assist. Sorry if user paid via credit card, 60 days is meaningless.