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Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
So, I've been selling (rmt) on steam for mainly DOTA 2 hats for the last 6-7 months. Have what I feel is in depth knowledge of the scene, steamrep donator, and know all sr MM.. most are on my friends list.

Anyways, I have easily 2400$ish (price or re-sellers) in a certain aRPG I played since beta to end o 2013.


Items / currency has sat there for so long and I considered selling it. After talking with many people, it's confirmed most people in cs:go/dota 2/steam scene have no idea where or how to RMT mmo/arpg acconts/items/etc.. besides PA.

Just arrived, gonna keep researching and not rush anything. If this site is as it appears, then I will be very impressed. Though, I don't like the idea of giving out my personal information to you guys. It will take me a lot of time and research before I finally list my trade.

Thanks for listening.

P.S.

Can't seem to find a MM's profile that handle BTC?
 
The goal here at EpicNPC is to provide buyers, seller and traders across all game categories a safe and secure marketplaces to conduct transactions for free. While we do have many paid services, such as our verification memberships, it is still free to post in 98% of our forums.

The reason members trust EpicNPC over other trading sites is because we take precautions to make sure our members are safe as possible.

Location Info - All posts display a 'Location Info' button that shows a member's country of origin and their ISP. Members can use this info to compare it to Paypal, game accounts, phone numbers and other info they gather to see if things match up. IPS info is given so members can see if someone is using a proxy or VPN to change their country of origin. Both are very useful and from what I know, no other site offers this.

Email/Google Authenticators - By default all accounts have email authentication enable to prevent accounts from being accessed by unwanted parties. If someone's IP changes, they have to verify they're the owner by receiving a security code to their email. Google Authenticor is the same thing except it uses an app on your smartphone and is the most secure.

Verification - Every member that upgrades their account to one of our two Verification levels is manually reviewed by me personally within 24 hrs.

Dispute resolution services - We investigate every dispute we receive for free in a timely manner. When a dispute thread is reported it is updated by either myself or a moderator within 24 hrs and updated daily until it is fully resolved. Check any other site out there, no one resolves disputes faster than EpicNPC. I don't want to knock on SteamRep, but they're very slow when it comes to investigating disputes and issuing bans. I've seen reports sit there for days without a reply.

Approved Middleman services - All our MM who have been approved have been members here for years, have obtained 50+ positive feedbacks with 100% rating. They are some of the most trusted members we have, so members can be confident when using one.

Secure - I'm the only person that processes verifications and the only admin on the site, I'm the sole owner of EpicNPC. I'm the only person who has permissions to view ID images that are used for Verification and the images are encrypted so even if someone figured out the URL to an image, it wouldn't load. Moderators also can't view verification ID images.


BTC = bitcoin?

You can use bitcoin if you like, however each MM accepts payments individually, so you'll have to ask them if they accept bitcoin if they don't list it in their threads.

As a active Steam seller, I would also be interested to hear any suggestions for our Steam users in terms of new features or subforums that you might want to see added here. I'm always open to suggestions.
 
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Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
The goal here at EpicNPC is to provide buyers, seller and traders across all game categories a safe and secure marketplaces to conduct transactions for free. While we do have many paid services, such as our verification memberships, it is still free to post in 98% of our forums.

The reason members trust EpicNPC over other trading sites is because we take precautions to make sure our members are safe as possible.

Location Info - All posts display a 'Location Info' button that shows a member's country of origin and their ISP. Members can use this info to compare it to Paypal, game accounts, phone numbers and other info they gather to see if things match up. IPS info is given so members can see if someone is using a proxy or VPN to change their country of origin. Both are very useful and from what I know, no other site offers this.

Email/Google Authenticators - By default all accounts have email authentication enable to prevent accounts from being accessed by unwanted parties. If someone's IP changes, they have to verify they're the owner by receiving a security code to their email. Google Authenticor is the same thing except it uses an app on your smartphone and is the most secure.

Verification - Every member that upgrades their account to one of our two Verification levels is manually reviewed by me personally within 24 hrs.

Dispute resolution services - We investigate every dispute we receive for free in a timely manner. When a dispute thread is reported it is updated by either myself or a moderator within 24 hrs and updated daily until it is fully resolved. Check any other site out there, no one resolves disputes faster than EpicNPC. I don't want to knock on SteamRep, but they're very slow when it comes to investigating disputes and issuing bans. I've seen reports sit there for days without a reply.

Approved Middleman services - All our MM who have been approved have been members here for years, have obtained 50+ positive feedbacks with 100% rating. They are some of the most trusted members we have, so members can be confident when using one.

Secure - I'm the only person that processes verifications and the only admin on the site, I'm the sole owner of EpicNPC. I'm the only person who has permissions to view ID images that are used for Verification and the images are encrypted so even if someone figured out the URL to an image, it wouldn't load. Moderators also can't view verification ID images.


BTC = bitcoin?

You can use bitcoin if you like, however each MM accepts payments individually, so you'll have to ask them if they accept bitcoin if they don't list it in their threads.

As a active Steam seller, I would also be interested to hear any suggestions for our Steam users in terms of new features or subforums that you might want to see added here. I'm always open to suggestions.






Thanks for the reply.

Still trying to understand how the transparency helps.. because when it comes to Papal there is 100% nothing a seller can do vs a claim. PayPal does not use screenshots as evidence and will always side with the buyer for virtual items, pretty much anything that isn't shipped and covered under seller protection. If you're doing a Wire Transfer the seller will need all your info anyways. Western Union should only be one with a middleman with very high rep (vs USD amount being traded, or a seller with extremely high rep). Basically, we way their rep / steam accounts value against items being traded.. In a of cases you can be 99% certain a seller/mm will not cash out rep for your trade.

If payment is sent as goods/services the buyer has 180 days to file a claim. Credit card chargebacks are 60 days. Depending if they live in the same state as you (USA) is the only hope you will ever have of winning a dispute vs credit card company.

So, If sent as gift 60 days to be safe, if not 6 months. We do not honor PayPal rep in most cases for 90-180 days.

I've found Bitcoin to be 100% most efficient. Once the coins are sent and has 3+ confirmations, it's impossible to chargeback. Buyers should always use a middleman unless they have a way to put a $ value on someone's reputation. If you're buying 500$ worth of items with someone that has 10,000-100,000+ rep.. pretty safe they're not going to cash out with your trade.

Bitcoin fee's are so minimal it's not even noticeable. The market is highly volatile and you want to cash out to your bank (other ways of cashing out) immediately to not risk receiving less $ than intended. For U.S.A some of Europe coinbase.com is very reliable and their interface feel like Papal. circle.com is another good one.

For anyone curious in more info - https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rtdxo/rbitcoin_faq_newcomers_please_read/ this also teaches the different methods of obtaining / selling coins world wide.



As for tipping the MM.. Almost always PayPal or item unless they requested otherwise.



I need more research into your dispute process and spend more time in the steam trading section before I can give a opinion.

I've thought about selling my PoE currency/items for over a year.. just never felt safe surfing random websites, in my mind it's potential phising.

The other nice thing with btc is - say I'm selling 2000$USD of currency. We could break it down to multiple transactions to where whomever went first felt comfortable.


I love the layout..

but when I type I get some sort of typing lag, and my screen flashes. Only happens here.. Need to figure this out. It's a bit sketchy atm. It's also why some words are chopped up. any ideas?

Will definitely provide feedback if you're interested as I learn more.

As for VPN.. it's 2015 and I thought everyone used one =/ Plus, Skype can be exploited easily to reveal i.p. address.. now your average user can't do much with this other than DDOS you.. but still ;)

Thanks again, for timely response.


The one suggestion I can make that would legitimize you for steam selling is becoming a friend or partner of steamrep.com This is steams anti fraud database... where we turn if we get #$%^%
 
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We don't allow multiple accounts due to people abusing our reputation system and vouching for themselves. If we allowed VPNs it would be nearly impossible to track fake feedback, so we don't allow them for that reason.

You're the first person to report this 'typing lag' issue and screen flashes.

Can you restart your browser or computer and test again?
What browser are you using?
Does it happen in other browsers?
Does it happen on every page or just when you're replying?
Can you disable your browsers plugins so see if one of them might be interfering with our site?
 
This is just my personal opinion. I've used many trading forums before and I'm currently using EpicNPC and MPGH only.

What I love with EpicNPC is all the support you get from the staff. To me, EpicNPC is the best trading forum out there.
MPGH is more like a social forum where you can do other kind of stuff (and also sell things), but it feels like MPGH isn't a good trading forum compared to EpicNPC.
 
Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
We don't allow multiple accounts due to people abusing our reputation system and vouching for themselves. If we allowed VPNs it would be nearly impossible to track fake feedback, so we don't allow them for that reason.

You're the first person to report this 'typing lag' issue and screen flashes.

Can you restart your browser or computer and test again?
What browser are you using?
Does it happen in other browsers?
Does it happen on every page or just when you're replying?
Can you disable your browsers plugins so see if one of them might be interfering with our site?

Tested everything you asked. It appears to be a problem specific to I.E. I never used I.E. only just yesterday. Only extension is a filtering one from paid for computer security. Firefox is fine, still sandboxing cus steam has me on the fence with the amount of scam attempts + phishing - easily up to 50-60 a day when have items listed.

Thanks again for your help you were great. I see the reasons for the transparency in pay to win games. With steam trading it's the opposite.. goes against my nature hah Only thing I am transparent about is my steam profile, inventory, and reddit account, rep threads.

This is just my personal opinion. I've used many trading forums before and I'm currently using EpicNPC and MPGH only.

What I love with EpicNPC is all the support you get from the staff. To me, EpicNPC is the best trading forum out there.
MPGH is more like a social forum where you can do other kind of stuff (and also sell things), but it feels like MPGH isn't a good trading forum compared to EpicNPC.

Welp, got my feet wet today. Sold to a re-seller. Went very smooth. Gonna dive in see what happens.

Some opportunities I am seeing.. are very nice

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Steamrep is the slowest thing since the first computer (pretend I said something witty).. but they're sooooo backed up and are very careful with whom they let evaluate the situation. The key thing is that the second a report is submitted, the reported user is flagged yellow (caution).. then any trader out there, with a registered sr forum account, can look at the report and decide for themselves to proceed or not.

Fake reports are removed fast, relative to steamrep's time.


I think you guys should apply for partner. Just my humble opinion.. I am not 100% sure of the rules but they may not allow it due to MMR boosting and account sales.. I have to verify this.
 
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I will definitely by applying to become a partner with SteamRep.

We've been supporting Steam for some time, but that section has only really started to take off in the last few months, especially since we added Steam Connect two months ago. You can expect more features aimed at steam users added in the near and distant future as we get more involved with Steam trading.

Steam is fairly different when comparing to other MMORPG and online games, so we'll make that section more user friendly for Steam as we go.

For the bug, I'll have to test it out with IE. I normally use Chrome, however I test new features with IE and Chrome and never ran into that issue.
 
Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
I will definitely by applying to become a partner with SteamRep.

We've been supporting Steam for some time, but that section has only really started to take off in the last few months, especially since we added Steam Connect two months ago. You can expect more features aimed at steam users added in the near and distant future as we get more involved with Steam trading.

Steam is fairly different when comparing to other MMORPG and online games, so we'll make that section more user friendly for Steam as we go.

For the bug, I'll have to test it out with IE. I normally use Chrome, however I test new features with IE and Chrome and never ran into that issue.

Then you could host DOTA 2 REP threads, moderated again! Every day there is posts, you host the rep threads, and or + get the old one moved.. you'd be swarming in people.. What would you do?

Nice.

Snipit from news article

"steam reached 8.5 million concurrent users on January 2, 2015. At about 11:10am on that day, Steam stats page reports that 8,500,345 concurrent users were logged in. The timezone is unclear but most likely it is PST seeing as Valve is headquartered in Bellevue, Washington. The previous Steam record was 8 million from June 29, 2014. Previous to that Steam reported 7.5 million concurrent users in December of 2013. A large majority of those users appeared to be playing Dota 2, as current reports indicate that 879,132 player were playing it at its peak just today, with the second game, Counter-Strike Global Offensive, trailing by 500,000 players. Steam also generally releases active user stats, which are the amount of accounts that have signed in recently and actually play/own games. That number was 100 million back in September of 2014"

100M 8,500,345 concurrent!?! $$$$

Lord Gaben really gonna take over the internet
 
I don't like steamrep.

I have dealt with their admins and while they are better than TF2 outpost cases get answered SO SLOWLY on that site. They stay open for weeks/months without responses.

We respond to cases much quicker.

Rep threads are stupid. A true feedback system makes much more sense.
 
We used rep threads long long ago before moving to an actual feedback scoring system. It's basically the same thing except the feedback score system makes it much easier to get an overall quick look at someones feedback instead of having to scroll though 50 pages of rep to see how many were negative.
 
Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
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I don't disagree that steamrep is slow.. but think about it how many reports they average a day. They handle ALL DOTA 2, majority of CS:GO, and TF:2 reports, steam game reports if /r/sgs isn't on it. A lot of their partner communities closed, like dota 2 traders for example.

It's very hard to find the "right" people that are willing to volunteer hours of their days for free. You're running the biggest online fraud database for game trading, if you let 1 bad apple in.. well, bad things will happen.

Does the scammer get a "red" "ban" tag with haste? No. They do however get instantly hit with a yellow "caution" tag. This allows anyone about to do business with said person to review the accusation's against him and decide for themselves to proceed or not.

But you can't say you "hate steamrep".. that is just, no. Everything they do is free, they're a legitimate non-for profit organaztion.. they help legit traders on steam in a way no one else has, ever

I'm not saying you guys aren't fast. However, it's comparing millions of users to hundreds. (1000's? I don't know your member count, active.)

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We used rep threads long long ago before moving to an actual feedback scoring system. It's basically the same thing except the feedback score system makes it much easier to get an overall quick look at someones feedback instead of having to scroll though 50 pages of rep to see how many were negative.


I feel that this topic should be hidden or some of my posts just "blacked out" as I have mentioned a lot of scams and can just give someone ideas. I don't like that and feel uneasy, up to you, ofc.


This is how I feel about feedback. It doesn't tell (as far as I know) what was traded.. so I have no rough estimate of how much money this person has been trusted with. One thing if I was a scrub scammer is, go sell keys for 2.2/2.1 on dota 2 fourm, CS:GO, TF2 (dif prices) forums. Or hell, just sell them @ 2.00 but only do max 2 at a time.


I'd get 100 feedback in no time, and someone could down the road easily mistake me for a trusted "middleman" worthy trader. When I haven't even handled 400$.

I then scam someone for a whatever, PBR/GBR, legaciey, alpines, whatever big item I can find that someone lets me MM for or goes first with me.

Maybe this is not how it works.. I am still knew, and haven't figured it all out yet. Just 1 sale.
 
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You think it's not easier to get 100 people to post one comment in a thread than to leave feedback in a system that we monitor? That's ridiculous.


We've been around for far longer than Steamrep has and while this site clearly doesn't have the same members (since, you know, Steam) we have thousands of posts daily. I don't care how busy you are - if you are going to enforce rules and mark people you need to be able to do it quicker than 30 days. Their timelines, no matter how overworked they are, are insane.
 
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I spent some time on Steam Rep today and they had 55 dispute threads opened yesterday alone. To compare that to our site, we've had 47 disputes since the start of January (16 days). So in two days they get more scam disputes than what we get in a full month.

Obviously Steam is massive and we in no way come close to those numbers, but we get about half a million visitors per month.

You're bringing up a lot of good points HardcoreGamer2015. Attaching a price value to feedback would be very useful to other members so they know if the feedback someone received was for small or large purchase. You're right that someone could easily purchase cheap items worth a few dollars just to scam someone down the line out of much more expensive account.

Our feedback system does keep track of the items purchase or sold, if you click a feedback comment it will take you to the sale thread so you can see what was bought, however adding an item value field would be much easier for members to see this info.

That's a very good suggestion and it'll be something we'll be implementing in the future to our feedback system.

Looking at Steam Rep and the issues they face it's also apparent that as EpicNPC grows our dispute system will need to be overhauled to include features such as automatic warnings when someone reports someone. I don't think we're there yet, but maybe in another year.
 
Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
Nice.

You can run the steamrep API/plug in on the steam games forums. So, someone could choose to log in through steam to display steam information as well as EpicNPC. At this time I don't see a point but with future changes you speak, it could be useful.

Now, the only thing I can think of that SR may claim to be fraudulent or deceptive is account boosting that I've seen. I know account selling is not something they see as a scam. I'll research more

If any of the forums talk about hacks, scripts, or where to get anything of this nature that's instant denial. Just make sure before applying, they're ok with 100% of everything that happens.. or else it's not worth it.



Now, I watch a lot of the forums for 2 days now. It's very clear what's happening in Pay to Win.. it's the biggest .. I dunno if scheme but hustle I think going right now.. This is seriously, the easiest damn money to make on the net, imho.

Player on "Pay to win game 1" wants items to be better in game. Spends let's just say 500$ paying to win.. it's not 3-5 months later, he's done everything he can, soared through the game @ a much faster rate than someone not RMTing and decides to cash out and do something else. His options are 1) PlayerAuctions which he may find a hastle, or 2) Sell his items back to a buyer for about 20-30% what he paid for them.. This seems the most likely scenario..

It's like the same crap just goes in one big circle, taking money, + giving it to the trader over and over and over.

I need in on this
 
You can run the steamrep API/plug in on the steam games forums. So, someone could choose to log in through steam to display steam information as well as EpicNPC. At this time I don't see a point but with future changes you speak, it could be useful.
We already use Steam Connect, so members can already link to their Steam accounts which then display mini-steam profiles in the top right of each post.
http://www.epicnpc.com/profile.php?do=steamlink

They can then lookup those accounts on SteamRep if they like.
 
Steamrep is dead. I have more than 5 reports hanging there for months. And its not that i reported those stupid scamming bots with level 0 on steam. I reported big players withy levels 30+ on steam and huge inventories that tried to scam - No response.

dota2traders.com rep - the shittiest system ever. U can post as many "+rep" as u want for one user, nobody will go through all of submissions to check if they are unique.

Epicnpc feedback system is the greatest one that i've seen so far. even if the same user submits more than 1 feedback - it doesnt count and your total feedback score stays the same unlike dota2traders.

They also investigate every case, doing ip researches and other stuff, steamrep says "your thread is prepared for admin review, please wait for a while" . SO i waited for 2 months, then decided to bump all of my threads - and guess what? nothing happens. Thats how good steamrep is. So i wouldn't recommend epicnpc to rely on or co-operate with steamrep.
 
SteamRep has a great idea and system and while it worked for them when the site was new and traffic was low, it looks like they're having some serious growing pains. You can't process 1650 dispute reports per month with volunteer staff.

They need to step away from being a non-profit and hire employees to investigating all these dispute reports. This means they need to make money and with 1600+ disputes and growing, they'll need a lot of it.

I'm sure @rmik isn't the only person that's frustrated with SteamReps extremely slow response and once more and more people start to see that creating a dispute goes no where, Steam users will stop reporting scammers. Once the reports stop, SR will lose it's primary function of becoming a reputation system and will become irrelevant.

SteamRep's backlog is an opportunity for EpicNPC in my eyes. There's obviously a demand for dispute resolution services and I would like to have the Steam community move here for it if SR is unable to handle it.

We have another major advantage to SR because they can't do anything to prevent scams. We can make changes, add new features and provide middleman services to help our community stay safe. SR is purely a reputation system, so they have no ability to make the community safer; they can only process reports and display rep.

As we roll out more Steam features to cater to the Steam community, I think it will become clear that EpicNPC is the best free marketplace around by far. I'll also do what it takes to maintain our high quality of support as the site grows.
 
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Steamrep is slow, you will lost hope but helpfull when searching his steamID64 in there forum section and voila it will appeared if he's reported in the past and should stay away from him. Aside from other trading forums, Epic is still the best which i like the most with Location info button, updated ban list, reverse IP that you could discover those hidden and rusty treasures that trying to catch/scam you.

One Admin here than other sites but obviously active everyday and approachable as well as moderators will deeply dig each cases. And selling your stuffs would be easy because the community is active

A lot of upcoming innovations to the website so i can recommend EpicNPC for you :o
If Anyone is interested to start your journey, you can sign up through my referral link in my profile ;););) Thanks
 
Steamrep is slow, you will lost hope but helpfull when searching his steamID64 in there forum section and voila it will appeared if he's reported in the past and should stay away from him. Aside from other trading forums, Epic is still the best which i like the most with Location info button, updated ban list, reverse IP that you could discover those hidden and rusty treasures that trying to catch/scam you.

One Admin here than other sites but obviously active everyday and approachable as well as moderators will deeply dig each cases. And selling your stuffs would be easy because the community is active

A lot of upcoming innovations to the website so i can recommend EpicNPC for you :o
If Anyone is interested to start your journey, you can sign up through my referral link in my profile ;););) Thanks


I think we all agree that it would take at least a week (with God's help) for SteamREP to review one scammer case and tag the guy or ban him. If I were to scam people and I knew I have a week before I even get tagged, I could scam 10-15 people if not more.

On epicnpc it takes 2 days at most to get the person banned if found guilty. Plus i've seen cases where the person would get instabanned if he had previous disputes opened against him and there weren't enough proof to ban him in the first place.

With that being said, I agree with my PinkRose101 and gonna say it once more, that EpicNPC is 100 times safer, friendlier and nicer place to make trades.
 
all of you are right also even spamming will get u permanent banned. I was guilty a bit for reporting someone for thread spamming before, i thought just infraction or temp banned for a 2nd chance but the admin gave perma banned :) He was rescently joined that time and i felt guilty.

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I think we all agree that it would take at least a week (with God's help) for SteamREP to review one scammer case and tag the guy or ban him. If I were to scam people and I knew I have a week before I even get tagged, I could scam 10-15 people if not more.
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This is not accurate. The user is tagged with a caution (yellow) tag right away.




I don't think some of you guys are understanding the amount of research a case takes. To main a positive reputation you can't just quickly look through the evidence. Everything must be verified, all screenshots proven to be legit,. This **** takes work, plain and simple.

Think how long a Paypal dispute/claim takes. Or a credit card charge back. They spend SOOO much time verifying all the evidence because they need to be as close to 100% sure as possible.

Hating on systems and saying they're **** or suck, for the problem being they were TOO SUCCESFUL, and grew TOO big for themselves, is kind of silly imho. They need to figure out something, I agree.. but I'm not that worried about it.

I feel I can look at a yellow tag and decide for myself to trade with someone or not.

To do all this work for no $$$ they're #$%^ crazy, right?
 
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I understand exactly how much it takes.

I don't get paid and I DO THAT WORK MYSELF.

I play TF2 and do some high-dollar trading there and the number of people who are able to keep scamming over and over and over and over because it takes so long to actually ban someone is crazy.

We get that you like SR but stop talking down to everyone here like they don't understand how safe trading works.
 
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I understand exactly how much it takes.

I don't get paid and I DO THAT WORK MYSELF.

I play TF2 and do some high-dollar trading there and the number of people who are able to keep scamming over and over and over and over because it takes so long to actually ban someone is crazy.

We get that you like SR but stop talking down to everyone here like they don't understand how safe trading works.

I'm sorry that you feel I am "talking down" to everyone. I do not intend to come off this way at all.

It's just if you're selling say a PBR or GBR 2000-8000$ USD... you want to know more than just how many likes + dislikes someone has.

This is all my 2 cents.. For me saying "**** steamrep" seems something only scammers would say. /shrug


It's almost as if you, being a mod here, are advising your users to not check the steamrep of someone before trading via steam. This is TERRIBLE imho
 
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You realize there are many accounts on here worth that same amount of money, right?

No one has said anything of that sort. We've made a VERY simple observation that weeks and months, no matter how good a service you offer, is simply not cutting it.
 
You're more than welcome to look people up on SteamRep, but it's a pretty dated and inefficient system. But no one's stopping you. Not to mention, there is a large amount of games here that have nothing to do with steam, including the most popular ones, arguably.

You can look at a yellow tag, sure. Or you could simply look at someone and see if they have any reputation or not, or just use the search system to check their Skype/contact. Users get banned very quickly for violations, and recurring banned members are usually banned instantly, or within a day at most.

The basis of your argument is that you trust a yellow tag more than a rep count. With proper research and some common sense, and looking into safe practice..It's pretty easy to avoid having any trading/selling issues. There are a lot of us here who have been here for years apon years and do just fine.
 
Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
You're more than welcome to look people up on SteamRep, but it's a pretty dated and inefficient system. But no one's stopping you. Not to mention, there is a large amount of games here that have nothing to do with steam, including the most popular ones, arguably.

You can look at a yellow tag, sure. Or you could simply look at someone and see if they have any reputation or not, or just use the search system to check their Skype/contact. Users get banned very quickly for violations, and recurring banned members are usually banned instantly, or within a day at most.

The basis of your argument is that you trust a yellow tag more than a rep count. With proper research and some common sense, and looking into safe practice..It's pretty easy to avoid having any trading/selling issues. There are a lot of us here who have been here for years apon years and do just fine.


What am I arguing? I am not saying steamrep is better.. I have constantly said I am new here and need more research.

I am sure there are accounts worth more than gbr that go for sale. I have no doubt.

ALL I am saying is that if someone gets scammed via steam, they get reported by 95% + legit traders. I'd say 99.9% if done on a steamrep partner/friends website. This has the effect of tagging the user with a yellow steamrep. It allows you (the seller/buyer) to then look at the evidence against the scammer and decide for yourself to proceed in trading with him or not.


I'm not trying to argue or debate. I am just sharing my experience from the world of trading I've come from and how we were able to assess risk when selling items. Rather it be chargeback scam or middleman/or whomever goes first running off with $$ / items

I am new to selling in pay to win games. I made this thread because it was the #1 question on my mind. I don't know anything about these sites, I looked at several and a few friends said they believed this was highest reputable forum. That is saying a helluva a lot.

I am trying to sell 1000's of $ of currency on Path of Exile. I do not want to get scammed. I am learning a lot from this thread and just daily research. This is my entire reason for posting


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I don't want to post screens publicly but if a mod wishes to see, I can provide. The first sale I had on here was a little out of wack. The guy had listed 5 things to do to be safe when trading with him, he is also a middleman.

He did not follow his own steps, and when I wouldn't proceed or give him information until he did, he tried to bully me. He said "I am the official middleman. I say whats needed and whats not".
I about walked away, thinking to myself what in the #$%& is this bullshit, but he then confirmed after he realized I wasn't a punk


Now speaking on his behalf it was a small trade, and personally speaking, it isn't worth the time it takes to login to the game to make it. If someone wanted items on steam for the $$ I was selling, I would not make time to do it, but if I was bored or had spare time, then I would.

I still do not find this an excuse for not following simple steps to verify that you're dealing with the right person.


In the end, everything was fine, and went smooth/quickly once we got past that hiccup .
 
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I mean, people are not required to do things when they sell/trade.

A high-rep user should not have to jump through hoops. I am the first to admit I expect a little more leeway if someone comes to me with a deal as I've been around for 9 years with perfect feedback, nevermind the color of my username.

But you also made your choice of walking away (or not) which I and we always encourage users to do. The best way to avoid getting into a bad situation is to never, ever make a deal where you are not comfortable with all of the aspects of the trade.
 
Okay, so

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198102264351-asdfghjkl-dota2-dota2-items.65012/ DATE: May 16-th. Yeah sure he has that tag "Uncorfimed Reports (1)". But the truth is no-one gives a FF about that. Half of the users don't even know how to use SteamREP. He must be trade banned right away? What more proof does an admin need? I showed them screenshots. I gave them time. It's ******* 2015 now and it was created on May 2014. Dare tell me that guy isn't a scammer or admins didn't have time because they have too much **** going on? It's been almost a year, the thread is marked as "Evidence provided" - WHY ISNT HE TRADE BANNED?

And that is just a random ban request i pulled of my steamrep account. The rest looks almost the same, only 2 i believe were succesful.

Now about paypal. I sold an account to someone who added me on skype said he was okay to go first, sent me 0,01 cents so I could check his verification and all that and we had a 80$ worht trade. TWO ******* DAYS LATER PAYPAL tells me he opened a dispute "Unauthorized claim" and told me I had 7 days to reply. I gathered all I have, the emails, skype IP, Steam Login Ip, all the chats...2 Days later Chargeback successful, I lost 80$ and the account. Now you're telling us here that it takes a lot of time for paypal to investigate? No it ******* doesnt. They don't give a damn about you or your money. The buyer is always right.

So what we have hear, steamrep time to repond - almost a year (confirmed) paypal time to take your money and give it to their beloved buyer - 2 days. If you need proof on the chargeback case I had I'm willing to provide it, even tho I don't think I'm gonna continue this topic because you seem to not know anything about steamrep, and are talking on behalf of other user's experience.

Hating on systems and saying they're **** or suck, for the problem being they were TOO SUCCESFUL, and grew TOO big for themselves, is kind of silly imho.


We're not hating anyone, we have our own admins and moderators that work 100 times faster and more efficiently then the BIG and FAMOUS steamrep. It can be as big as it wants, nobody gives a **** about it. It must be usefull, and when I report 5 scamming attempts and receive no response after a year has passed, I begin to realize that size doesn't really matter.
 
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The basis of your argument is that you trust a yellow tag more than a rep count.

At the OP You cannot abuse rep here only 1 is counted and linked to the specific thread for the transaction. Or if u really base by tags we have lots of BANNED tags here just search him on ban list, google, reversed I.P here in Epic with reasons why he got banned.

I feel I can look at a yellow tag and decide for myself to trade with someone or not.

Is it your favorite color? Or u may like our yellow tag aswell here also ;) "WARNING: Trade with caution"

I think we are trying to say only what's the difference between epic and steamrep in terms of handling scammers, the usefull of the site (location info,reversed i.p,ban list in my own experienced) because no matter how good the website is, how verified the person with rep or good in transaction but in the end his shiny 2 evil horns will appear. If he wants to scam u then he can. Its all about if u are unlucky enough to encounter a scammer not once, two, or thrice but atleast u have a chance for those options to prevent it that u cannot find on other site If u are trying to sell a non steam related, your POE orbs here .
 
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Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
I mean, people are not required to do things when they sell/trade.

I get that. He listed in his WTB thread, 5 steps on how a seller should proceed to verify it was really him.



Okay, so

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198102264351-asdfghjkl-dota2-dota2-items.65012/ DATE: May 16-th. Yeah sure he has that tag "Uncorfimed Reports (1)". But the truth is no-one gives a FF about that. Half of the users don't even know how to use SteamREP. He must be trade banned right away? What more proof does an admin need? I showed them screenshots. I gave them time. It's ******* 2015 now and it was created on May 2014. Dare tell me that guy isn't a scammer or admins didn't have time because they have too much **** going on? It's been almost a year, the thread is marked as "Evidence provided" - WHY ISNT HE TRADE BANNED?

And that is just a random ban request i pulled of my steamrep account. The rest looks almost the same, only 2 i believe were succesful.

Now about paypal. I sold an account to someone who added me on skype said he was okay to go first, sent me 0,01 cents so I could check his verification and all that and we had a 80$ worht trade. TWO ******* DAYS LATER PAYPAL tells me he opened a dispute "Unauthorized claim" and told me I had 7 days to reply. I gathered all I have, the emails, skype IP, Steam Login Ip, all the chats...2 Days later Chargeback successful, I lost 80$ and the account. Now you're telling us here that it takes a lot of time for paypal to investigate? No it ******* doesnt. They don't give a damn about you or your money. The buyer is always right.

So what we have hear, steamrep time to repond - almost a year (confirmed) paypal time to take your money and give it to their beloved buyer - 2 days. If you need proof on the chargeback case I had I'm willing to provide it, even tho I don't think I'm gonna continue this topic because you seem to not know anything about steamrep, and are talking on behalf of other user's experience.



We're not hating anyone, we have our own admins and moderators that work 100 times faster and more efficiently then the BIG and FAMOUS steamrep. It can be as big as it wants, nobody gives a **** about it. It must be usefull, and when I report 5 scamming attempts and receive no response after a year has passed, I begin to realize that size doesn't really matter.

This is why scammers are able to scam.

At the OP You cannot abuse rep here only 1 is counted and linked to the specific thread for the transaction. Or if u really base by tags we have lots of BANNED tags here just search him on ban list, google, reversed I.P here in Epic with reasons why he got banned.



Is it your favorite color? Or u may like our yellow tag aswell here also ;) "WARNING: Trade with caution"

I think we are trying to say only what's the difference between epic and steamrep in terms of handling scammers, the usefull of the site (location info,reversed i.p,ban list in my own experienced) because no matter how good the website is, how verified the person with rep or good in transaction but in the end his shiny 2 evil horns will appear. If he wants to scam u then he can. Its all about if u are unlucky enough to encounter a scammer not once, two, or thrice but atleast u have a chance for those options to prevent it that u cannot find on other site If u are trying to sell a non steam related, your POE orbs here .




Ok, guys. Just gonna stop. Going any further is pointless and not what I was trying to accomplish. It's turning into more of a circlejerk now.

EpicNPC heard me, that's what matters. I just need more time to verify this site. I am careful when trading past my comftorable limit of loss. 5 scams in one year? I hope these were all at a $ ammount you were comftorable losing.

Thanks everyone for your contributions and welcoming me to EpicNPC. It will just take research of the site and getting familiar with the workings of the feedback system. Take care and happy trading.





About paypal; I'll quote myself.


because when it comes to Papal there is 100% nothing a seller can do vs a claim. PayPal does not use screenshots as evidence and will always side with the buyer for virtual items, pretty much anything that isn't shipped and covered under seller protection. If you're doing a Wire Transfer the seller will need all your info anyways. Western Union should only be one with a middleman with very high rep (vs USD amount being traded, or a seller with extremely high rep). Basically, we way their rep / steam accounts value against items being traded.. In a of cases you can be 99% certain a seller/mm will not cash out rep for your trade.

If payment is sent as goods/services the buyer has 180 days to file a claim. Credit card chargebacks are 60 days. Depending if they live in the same state as you (USA) is the only hope you will ever have of winning a dispute vs credit card company.

So, If sent as gift 60 days to be safe, if not 6 months. We do not honor PayPal rep in most cases for 90-180 days.

I've found Bitcoin to be 100% most efficient. Once the coins are sent and has 3+ confirmations, it's impossible to chargeback. Buyers should always use a middleman unless they have a way to put a $ value on someone's reputation. If you're buying 500$ worth of items with someone that has 10,000-100,000+ rep.. pretty safe they're not going to cash out with your trade.

Bitcoin fee's are so minimal it's not even noticeable. The market is highly volatile and you want to cash out to your bank (other ways of cashing out) immediately to not risk receiving less $ than intended. For U.S.A some of Europe coinbase.com is very reliable and their interface feel like Papal. circle.com is another good one.

For anyone curious in more info - https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/com...s_please_read/ this also teaches the different methods of obtaining / selling coins world wide.

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To be 100% clear steamrep is not some unquestionable authority in steam trading. It would be fair to consider them close to dead, moderated wise (not completely).

The main facts about steam trading are 1) you can value someones account in $$, their previous rep in $$ if you know who they've sold/bought from, other than that.. it's still shady with high amount of scammers. Steamrep profiles are bought/sold like any other account. Steam accounts are as well. Be safe

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One of the things I'd like to see updated/changed is the transparency system of EpicNPC.

Why should the guy buying 5-10keys from me @ 1.75-200$ each be able to see the same information as the guy buying 500-1000 keys?

Food for thought: transactions under x$ with verified sellers that have verified z$ amount of items to yAdmin/mod only have to provide y transparency to x$ amount.
 
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I think we're getting off topic here. This thread is not about whether or not SteamRep is an effective system or how long they take to reply to disputes.

I think we can all agree SteamRep is a useful system for Steam traders, but they have their issues. We don't need to keep discussing what they're problems are.

To get to your point about item value being added to feedback, as I said before it's a good suggestion and it's something I will try to add to the feedback system in the future, however it might be difficult to implement. Adding a price value field where a buyer or seller enters a dollar amount is easy enough to add, however confirming the amount entered is much more difficult.

A seller can sell a key for $2 and input that he sold an item for $200. Without verifying each purchase it would be impossible to confirm any value amount.

Implementing this type of feature to our feedback system will take some time and thought to make sure it's not abused and that it's accurate.

Once I figure out how to do that, you'll see it added to the system.
 
Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
I will try to add to the feedback system in the future, however it might be difficult to implement. Adding a price value field where a buyer or seller enters a dollar amount is easy enough to add, however confirming the amount entered is much more difficult.

A seller can sell a key for $2 and input that he sold an item for $200. Without verifying each purchase it would be impossible to confirm any value amount.

Implementing this type of feature to our feedback system will take some time and thought to make sure it's not abused and that it's accurate.

Once I figure out how to do that, you'll see it added to the system.

I 100% feel you should avoid prices. Way too many opportunities I see for manipulation plus people claiming EpicNPC liable.

I'd suggest (this is a rough draft)

For items:
Game, Item Name, Quantity, payment method, who went first?. (It's very important for me to know who went first. I feel mainly the feedback or (rep) is for the person that could have walked away with items/$$$.

For accounts: (I'm sure you guys will have better)
Game: Armor tier, Levels, Notes

Services: (I am sure someone will think of better)

Service provided




P.S.

Did you get my PM's regarding upgrade?
 
I think we're getting off topic here. This thread is not about whether or not SteamRep is an effective system or how long they take to reply to disputes.

I think we can all agree SteamRep is a useful system for Steam traders, but they have their issues. We don't need to keep discussing what they're problems are.

To get to your point about item value being added to feedback, as I said before it's a good suggestion and it's something I will try to add to the feedback system in the future, however it might be difficult to implement. Adding a price value field where a buyer or seller enters a dollar amount is easy enough to add, however confirming the amount entered is much more difficult.

A seller can sell a key for $2 and input that he sold an item for $200. Without verifying each purchase it would be impossible to confirm any value amount.

Implementing this type of feature to our feedback system will take some time and thought to make sure it's not abused and that it's accurate.

Once I figure out how to do that, you'll see it added to the system.


There is dotamarket site that has this kind of rep threads. They require screenshots of paypal/skrill/webmoney transactions and steam trades You can hide paypal email (at least part of it maybe?) or any private info that you don't want to expose, but the date and the amount of money received must be visible.

I hope this helps a bit.
 
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