Scammed by member avgtrader

[Phonetic]

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Purchase Date: 11/07/2018
Date the problem begain: 11/07/2018
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Discord
Your Instant Messenger ID: zTipzee#6120
Instant Messenger username of the person you are accusing: [not the display name, must be real username] JoshuaGericherd#7568

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DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1333165-Looking-for-STW-(save-the-world)-codes
Approximate value of property: 8.01 EUR
Was Trade Guardian used? If so, what is the TG ID#

What is the dispute about? This member contacted me on discord, and told me he had codes he was selling, i then asked how much feedback he had. so he went on his Epic NPC account and messaged me confirming it was him, even using a code on the PM and on discord (which will be shown in screenshots) once i paid, he deleted me.

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Proof
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Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username): https://gyazo.com/66ea6d53c8683bef2cac35d5051906b8
https://gyazo.com/42883a8c1fa716df4c3b02f4507b9eae
https://gyazo.com/ad058cbafca8cdd097080cd3c2899177
https://gyazo.com/4eb924e7ebc2f6b3e808210acadcc38f
https://gyazo.com/28d3858b8c3a89676ef6e94bb3fbd0a3
https://gyazo.com/f52bd7f0b1b6c279af34e395b4c33260
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible): https://gyazo.com/9b44751ba1293b8c67711abb803be9b03
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he sent me a private message on here, and gave me a "secret code" that he also used on his discord, he showed a different discord username on the PM though, but it was him as he sent a "secret code" on PM and on discord, as you see in the screenshot.

 

[EpicNPC CM]

[MENTION=327020]avgtrader[/MENTION] ban in 24 hrs

 

[avgtrader]

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The dude you talked to added me on Discord asking to buy an account and to prove that it's me I should send him a pm with a secret code, then linked me your profile.
Out of routine I added my Discord to the pm and it's obviously a different one from the dude you were talking to. Why would I add a Discord to the pm that is irrelevant for the whole process because it isn't being used?

 

[Phonetic]

thanks, i hope he responds as to why he did it, 55 positive rep 0 negative, and scams for 8 euros? .. what a waste

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can you show screenshots?

 

[avgtrader]

Screenshot of the conversation:

 

[Phonetic]

Okay i see, well i got a pm from you, so i assumed it was you, you should ask the person to pm you first, so you know its them, then prove its you by replying to them.

 

[avgtrader]

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You state it like it was my fault. At my point there was no need to know his Epicnpc profile. You were lucky enough that I sent my Discord ID in the confirmation pm, and yet you still trusted him even when his Discord ID did not match. You should have been the one being more careful there. I'm sorry for that happening to you anyways.

 

[Phonetic]

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as you see in the screenshots he explained why the discord ID was different, i asked for a PM on epic, and recieved it instantly from your name, so i didnt really think anything of it, and im not blaming, im only stating as things like this can happen, regardless if you put your discord ID, i did not think much of it as the pm was sent basically after i asked. also if you click right onto my epic npc profile my discord ID is right in my signature.

 

[avgtrader]

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His explanation makes no sense as to why he should have put the Discord add in the epicnpc pm then in first place. I hope this whole thing is cleared up now. If something does not match, double check. Anyways, I wish you good luck in your future trades.

 

[doomedtofail]

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Please never ever use codes sent via pm for verification at all, I have been advising this for years. Always use posts on threads. Have the user post on your thread stating exactly what skype or discord they are talking to you from, avgtrader or any user never would have posted on your thread with the wrong discord/skype info. That is the only way to be sure.

 

[EpicNPC CM]

We have had these type of scams before. The first red flag was the paypal with the disposable email address.

Unfortunately there isn't much we can do here besides list the scammer's information. I haven't found any accounts with any of this information.

Feel free to post anymore proof if you have it.

Joshuagericherd#7568
[email protected]
joshuagericherdas

 

[Phonetic]

how do you tell if a paypal is verified or not?