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EpicNPC

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1. Never trade the item first before getting paid. Make the person send you an email from their paypal email, to ensure they have control of said paypal account, and they aren't using a stolen paypal. I do this for all of my transactions:

I have to ask a few quick questions to the buyer:
***You can write the answers all in the email to me :)***
1.) your first and last name
2.) your paypal email address
3.) Please write me a quick email from your paypal email address and send it to [email protected] make the subject: Epicnpc.com
4.) Send me 0.01 CENTS as Goods/Services to [email protected]

*Make sure they have a shipping address on file!*

2. If it is an item for an item trade, make sure you examine the item to make sure it is what you are supposed to be getting.

3. Never accept a steam game for an item trade. The person who bought the game is most likely scamming and will charge back the game and you will be itemless.

4. Never sell a dota 2 item on ebay without having something tangible to go along with it. For example, I sell items on ebay sometimes, but the main advertisement is for a Dota 2 Crystal Maiden postcard. Also make sure to only deal with people in the USA or your pertaining country. A lot of people use stolen paypals/ebay accounts to pay for items on ebay.

5. Be safe and trade safe.
 
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CUSTOMER REVIEWS/QUESTIONS
@EpicNPC for your first method, what if the scammer also stole the email used for paypal? I got scammed the other day from chargeback and it seems like he control the email too because i sent him invoice and he paid from there yet still manage to file dispute for unauthorized transaction
 
Ask him to send a picture of his ID card from his email used for paypal. Don't send your item unless his initials match paypal ones coming from a money transfer to you. It's also less likely that paypal will accept an unauthorized transaction dispute if money was sent as "for friends/family".
Alright thank you so much for the advice. Btw most of the chargebacks were made from friends/family transaction
Banned - steamrep scammer - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198085699289
sᴘᴀᴄᴇʙᴏʏs;3919402 said:



All great tips.



I truly, honestly, hate to re-hash this but I was wondering if any development had been done since New Years.


You say only trust someone with 20+ feedback
. I have 4 feedback but I've sold 2,000$+ worth of virtual items with those 4 feedback's. There is no way for someone checking to know this, it would have to be verified by the re-sellers I sold to, or possibly screenshots + chat logs.


I, or someone else, could EASILY sell 50 items, to 50 different people, have 50 + feedback, all for 100$ (using cs:go keys are an example 2$ USD at time of this post).

I think it's important to look at the time frame the feedback was given, and consider if someone has x feedback in y time it should make you think twice.


Thanks for any info!



Just noticed I'm missing feedback from one guy that bought about 1,000$ of items, same day as EGPAL feedback. Hah gonna P.M. him
 
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Banned - Scammer - Too many disputes- https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1233328-Dispute-against-SPACEBOYS
What is Steam's policy on returning scammed items/gifts?
Steam will not return any items or gifts that you feel have been traded unfairly. There are no exceptions to this policy. All trades are final. If you were scammed, you may submit a report from the offending user's profile, however contacting Steam Support will not result in the return of any stolen items/gifts. This does not include fraudulently purchased games that you received and were removed from your account. Please see the below question for how we handle fraudulent gift trades.
What if I redeemed a game from a trade that is fraudulently purchased?
If this happens, the account where the fraud took place will be suspended. Your account will not be suspended, however the game you redeemed/unpacked to your account will be removed. We will restore the items/gifts that were associated with the trade that you performed to receive the game as a one-time customer service gesture. If you did not trade any items/gifts for the game directly then we are not able to restore anything to your account (i.e. if the game was a gift). Please contact Steam Support if a game that you traded for is missing from your inventory or account.
What is Steam's policy on returning items that were taken while my account was hijacked?
The use and security of the Steam account is your responsibility. It does not matter if you let someone use the account, or if the account was being used without your knowledge. It is your responsibility to safeguard your account against such activities.
For information on how to safeguard your account, please read our Account Security Recommendations and Account Phishing FAQs.
Why will Steam not return items that were scammed?
During the trade process, Steam asks you to confirm your trade multiple times. It is your responsibility to review the items that you are trading. You first confirm the trade by checking the box that states, "Check this box when ready to trade". Once checked, you cannot add any items to the trade. If you remove an item you will have to re-check the box to confirm that you are ready. Once both users in the trade have checked this box, the final confirmation button will turn green. Both users must click this button to complete the trade. A log of the trade is also kept in a separate chat box within the trade window.
What are the best ways to verify a trade to avoid getting scammed?
Do not rush the trade. A common tactic by scammers is to force you to trade quickly so they can change items/gifts in the trade without you noticing. Take your time during the trade to avoid getting scammed.
Mouse over every item to ensure that the item/gift's properties are correct. Information about the item/gift will be stated here including the quality, name, description and any effects.
Pay attention to the trade log while making the trade. All changes, additions, removals and actions will be recorded in this box. You may also use it to communicate with the trader.
Do not trade items outside of the trade window. If another user requests that you do, they will likely scam you. Always insist to trade within the trade window in Steam. Wallet credit and money cannot be traded or added to the trade window.
Ensure that you are trading with the correct user. Scammers may try to impersonate your friends and other trusted traders. It is your responsibility to know who you are trading with.
What should I not trade for?
Do not trade for anything that cannot be added into the trade window within Steam. The most common examples of these scenarios are the following:
Trading items/gifts for money outside of the Steam Community market. You cannot add Wallet credit, PayPal, gift cards or any form of money into the trade window.
Trading items/gifts for CD Keys. You cannot add a CD Key into the trade window. CD Keys that are offered can be for a different game, fake, used or region restricted.
Trading items/gifts for nothing in return in the first trade and expecting to get an item or gift in a later trade. There is no reason to not trade everything in one trade. You may add unlimited items/gifts to a single trade. A common example of this is using a middleman to facilitate a one sided trade.

Useful tips for trading !!!! https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9958-MJDG-3003
 
DOTA 2 ACCOUNT TRADING

RISK / Danger / Prevention

  • CHAIN BANNING - If a scammer recall their account successfully by accusing you as a hacker. Steam may flag your IP/ Device ID and chain ban any account you have access before including your main account permanently.
  • 60 to 70 % non-verified seller selling dota 2 account in epicnpc are scammer . Only buy from seller Who is epic Verified and high rep to be safe.
  • Member who is only Epic Verified does not mean trusted . i myself only consider member who is both Epic Verified and have decent rep (more than 20) to be trusted
  • Avoid buying resell account, unless the reseller is trusted and they promise a replacement account/refund if the account you buy had been recall
  • Say "NO" to funny/weird trading method that another party claim to be 100% safe(e.g paying 50% first then 50% after), alway suggest to use a middleman when neither of you have high rep nor trusted.Just remove them from chat if they insist of not using MM.
  • Neverever download or visit/login any website which a stranger send you, it might be a fake site or a keylogger which will save your login/password and send it back to the hacker
  • only use offical MM from the site where you found the seller/buyer. if they insist of using a third party site MM(most likely an imposer), just ignore them.
  • Dun be greedy or stingy, alway use your common sense, sometime it is worth to pay a bit more to a trusted seller and middleman,unless you dun mind to end up like them where they had wasted both their time and money
    1. Fake middleman scam
    Fake middleman scam is similar to the impersonator scam. The scam would involve 3 people - Victim, 'Fake middleman', and the 'accomplice'. The accomplice would approach you, asking to pay the buyout of your item(s). You checked his profile/backpack/SteamRep and everything seems okay. They would suggest a middleman and you would agree to it. Suddenly, the 'fake middleman' joins the chat and shows you his Steamrep/SourceOP/Dota2Traders page and you would think that he's legit. After giving him your items, they would both delete and block you, never to be seen again.
    Note: Anytime someone asks to use a friend from your friendslist who is not an official MM they are either attempting to scam you or your friend. Always decline their offer and insist on an official MM.
    Avoiding them: Do not rush into trades. Make sure that the middleman is legit by clicking their portrait in the group chat window and visiting their Steam page, then cross-referencing it with SteamRep. Common sign/s are - Private profile/backpack.
    2. The Impersonation scam
    Impersonators will copy a trusted trader's or one of your friend's profile down to the last detail and approach you saying they are interested in buying or borrowing something from you. They will claim to have a lot of REP so that you should go first in the trade. After you have given them the items, he would delete you and your item will never be seen again. Common targets for impersonation are the people from the SourceOP Trusted Seller group. A good way to check is the level of English they use. All of them are fluent in English, so they are unlikely to be incoherent in what they say. Also most of them are more mature traders, and are less likely to try and push you into a deal like an impetuous 5 year old.
    P.S. -- Valve would most probably not return your item back to you.
    Avoiding them:
    Steam > Settings > Interface > Display steam URL address bar when available. When someone adds you and say that they'll pay your buyout, copy and paste their steam url to www.steamrep.com After making sure that they have no scammer tags, find a middleman to help you with the trade. Also, it's really important to search steamrep forums' to be sure that there are no scam reports pending for the person.
    Always double check before a transaction. Some of the most heartbreaking scams have been because of impersonating friends' profiles.
    3. Taking the items and leave scam ...
    This scam involves someone asking to purchase an item of yours with something that they never intended to pay but they dazzle the person with the ease/value of the transaction. This is also sometimes accompanied by a fake Sourceop link for rep to show they're good-- never trust links the other person gives you. After receiving the item, they'll delete you. Your item would not be given back to you after the trade is done. This also applies to game codes.
    Avoiding them: Steam > Settings > Interface > Display steam URL address bar when available. When someone adds you and say that they'll pay your buyout, copy and paste their steam url to www.steamrep.com After making sure that they have no scammer tags, find a middleman to help you with the trade. Be sure to check the "Search Steamrep Forums" button. (In red here). Even if the person is not tagged yet, they may still have pending reports of them as a scammer.
    4. The fake link/phishing scam
    One of the most common scam nowadays. This is a phishing technique used by many, especially on TF2Outpost. Phishing links are websites that trick you into giving them your account details (Steam username, password, e-mail username, e-mail password). After you gave your account details away, the phisher would change the email account tied to your steam account as well as the password, after moving your items and Steam wallet to one of his accounts.
    Avoiding them : Be vigilant whenever you're clicking on a link. Make sure what you're clicking on is spelled correctly. Also, /u/dmn002 wrote a chrome extension to block misspelled websites. Do check it out!
    5. Swap/QuickSwitch Scam
    This scam involves the victim thinking they're getting one item but got another instead. Here's what happens: Someone would add you and said that he'll be willing to do a trade. He'll then put up X and you'll put up the items you're paying for it. Without you noticing, he'll quickly switch it to another item of less value. The item might also be renamed to suit X so that you wouldn't notice anything amiss in the chat window of the trade. After trading, he will get away with your items.
    Quickswitch scams are quite common among low-grade scammers. It also involves misdirection -- they'll ask you a question in Steam chat so you switch windows, they'll swap the item while you're typing, then ask you to add another item or remove one of them. Then you both approve the trade. QuickSwitch has become more of a "ConmanSwitch" than something done only in rushed trades.
    Avoiding them: Always make sure that the items for the trade are the items you agreed on. Do not click ready until you make sure the trade is good to go.
    6. Charge back scam
    This scam involves someone charging back the amount of money he sent you after receiving the item. The scammer sends funds over Paypal or a similar service, then, after receiving the item from you, contacts his/her bank to protest the transaction. The money returns to the scammer and they get away with the item.
    Avoiding them: Make sure the person you're trading with has enough rep and is trustworthy. Avoid too good to be true deals and selling big stuff all at once, like hooks, timebreakers, and unusuals unless they're to a trustworthy person. Moneypak and BitCoin are non-refundable, but require more effort on the buyer's side.
    For Chargeback scams, we should also recommend that (for maximum risk avoidance) that the buyer's cash rep should extend much far beyond 90 days in the past. In an ideal world, you are never selling to someone with lots of cash rep that only goes 90 days back (the most common chargeback window for PayPal purchases). As a rule of thumb selling anything major, ignore any cash rep in the last 90 days and your ideal scenario is that their older cash rep should definitely total more than what the current transaction is. That way you have a sign that they are invested in their rep and aren't gaining more by charging back than they are giving up in historical reputation they've built up.
    7. Delayed Payment Scam -
    This scam involves someone asking you to give/borrow him an item or two for a short period of time. After you've given him the item, he'll delete you with your items.
    Avoiding them: Never lend an item you aren't willing to lose to find out if your friend is a traitor.
    8. Fake profile rep
    Whenever you're doing a high-value/ cash trades, please be aware that Steam profile rep can easily be faked. Never trust the amount of profile rep one has when doing such trades. Comments can be deleted by the owner of the profile, so negative rep will always be lost.
    9. Two-man (tag team) scam
    There are a couple of variations on this tricky scam. In the first variation, a person adds you. He says he wants to buy an item for a high price (more than the usual price). A second person gets in contact to say they are selling the very same item that person one wants to buy. So you buy it from person 2 at the price they ask for, then both people delete you and you're stuck with an item you didn't want to begin with.
    In the second variation, person A says he has the new pudge hair. When you add him he says his brother works at Valve and got a bunch of promo codes that will activate the pudge hair. He then all of a sudden add another person (B) in to the chat. Person B says he wants the pudge hair and person A says "it is a code" and person B will be say "hey, it's okay, I want the code, I will trade you so and so." You now get nervous and think you might miss the deal and you will outbid him. You trade him the item and he removes you.
    Avoiding the scam: Never, ever rush trades. If it's too good to be true, it is. Always take your time and this scam will not happen. Also, trading for codes is dangerous.
    10. Fake items/nametag scam
    This scam relies on the trader's inability to distinguish between a real item and a faked item with a name tag or description tag. Simply put, the scammer renames and describes an item similar to the one you think you are trading for. If you do not notice the difference, you trade for the fraudulent item and lose in the trade.
    Avoiding the scam: Check the item in the trade window multiple times to make sure. It will say whether the item was renamed or not. Also check the match ID if it is a faked tournament item.
    11. Trade offer/Steam Wallet scam
    This scam revolves around the Steam Trade Offers feature, and plays on an old scam at the same time. The scammer sends you a trade offer for your items, offering nothing in return, and types in the message box that they are offering you Steam Wallet. You accept the offer and they never send the Steam Wallet, so you lose your items.
    Avoiding the scam: NEVER accept Steam Trade Offers where you receive nothing, unless you are certain that this is correct. Also, you will never receive any messages saying that someone is offering you Steam Wallet.

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