Scammed by a verified member - Scarlicious

Freedom Dive · Jan 29, 2015

Information
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Dispute Date: Jan. 28 of 2015
Method of Contact Used: Skype
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: abdoaghaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
EpicNPC username of the person you're accusing: Scarlicious
Your Instant Messenger ID: nfi.kyoTM

Other information:

DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about? Money and service
Link of transaction thread: theres no link, cause I added him for 1 and went back to another issue
Approximate value of property: $500.00 USD

Was a middleman used? No
If yes, who?
Provide information about the dispute and what lead to it:
Other details / notes:

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs: Skype name nfi.kyoTM
Pictures/Screenshots: http://puu.sh/fdIFz/1a7925af74.jpg
Other proof: I can provide my entire chat log with him
Also, he claims that I chargeback right after I paied him and asked his steam account. Check the screenshot time.
If I was trying to scam him, paying 2 times and charging back before receiving seems no sense, NO SENSE AT ALL.

Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the transaction? No, I never really thought about it, this was my first time doing it from websites, before I used to purchase on ebay, and I repeatedly suggested to the seller to do it on ebay.
Have you traded with this person before? No
Approximately how many transactions have you done on EpicNPC? None, it is my first time here, and probably my last time cause of the bad experience. First time buy first time scam.

Sakura · Jan 30, 2015

Can you post a picture of his skype profile name please?

Here is the screenshot he posted for those wondering - http://gyazo.com/5d56e68d64b5e913a6bb23388c995379

I don't think it's supposed to say chargeback so I am pretty sure it is an edited picture.

Freedom Dive · Jan 30, 2015

Here, its this guy:
http://puu.sh/fdVPt/ae89d7f5be.png

skype screenshot:
http://puu.sh/fdVSt/716dd051a3.jpg

If you see his screenshot, he has $485.20 IN and "Chargeback" of $485.25, that just does not make sense.
Also, If I wanted to scam, why should I "Chargeback" after paying? without receiving the skin.
You can see on my screenshot of the chat with skype, he is asking me "did you add me?" at 4:18, and I respond "request sent" at 4:20, and then at 4:21 goes "did u charge back?" like, he did not even accepted me as friend and we never did the trade.

Scarlicious · Jan 30, 2015

Lol if i get banned for this its just stupid, I provided the prove i needed for this, the guy chargedback after 5 mins of the transaction right when he added me on steam, i am a pretty popular person on steam so i don't add random accounts therefore i am pretty sure he just wanted to add me and get my ip. I blocked him off skype and reported him, i will provide proof needed for the transaction. I don't have the convo anymore since i blocked him off skype but i probably have a screen shot or two of the convo, The guy seemed pretty sketchy especially after he sent the money and when i said why did u charge back, he said let me call you and then apparently he had trouble calling me on skype when he did 3 times beforehand. He doesn't have any VALID proof that i scammed him and i probably don't have any that i didn't besides a couple that don't really seem fine besides the screenshot i provided of the chargeback. I didn't pay and offer my services for over 5 months with a bunch of clients that made me over 1.5k and thats besides me selling my numerous skins which are right here:
http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/723748-Karambit Crimson web Factory new
http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/683200-Boosting services, Legit.
http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/706652-Huntsman-blue-steel-FT-PAYPAL-ONLY
The guy joined JAN 2015 and has 6 posts with no feedback whatsoever, you actually think he was ready to spend $500 on a skin ?

Sakura · Jan 30, 2015

You can unblock him and get the logs that way.

So you have no proof of anything just threads showing you selling things?

Freedom Dive · Jan 30, 2015

Here is the screenshot from our last conversation through skype:
http://puu.sh/fetYr/0af98a25a7.txt

I had to copy it to a notepad cause it does not allow me to post more than 2 links.

Freedom Dive · Jan 30, 2015

For any admin, I can provide my steam account ID and PW so they can verify on my trade history, that I never traded anything like in the description, or never had any interaction with this Scammer.

doomedtofail · Jan 30, 2015

Make a video of your trade log history we don't need login

Freedom Dive · Jan 30, 2015

Here it is:
[video=youtube;64xlLS6ZnHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xlLS6ZnHo&feature=youtu.be[/video]

I am willing to forgive him if he deliver what I paid for.
Cause at the end of the day, I am even more frustrated cause I got scammed and I did not received what I was hoping to receive.

doomedtofail · Jan 30, 2015

Video is set as private.

But im curious as to why theres two different numbers on this picture why would paypal show two different ammounts? http://gyazo.com/5d56e68d64b5e913a6bb23388c995379 and why the typing is in two different colors. When i blow up a screenshot of my paypal. I get the same color fonts and the typing is not solid on color its shades of multiple. I blow up your screenshot and its mono color and different shades of font.that payment should say on hold not chargeback. and if was reversed it would say refund. i checked my paypal for charged back payments, yes i get them often and they all say refund if they are fully reversed and ones in process of being charged back say hold or temporay hold placed. and no payment on paypal is immediately reversed.
scar
If he charged back payment and you gave him his item you have taken the time to say you delivered the item you have not said that ONCE to this point. you only have pointed to your past history and the fact he charged back payment. you only said he has no proof you scammed him. Never once did you say I delivered item you just point to his lack of feedback and say you really think he would pay 500 for skin.

Freedom Dive · Jan 30, 2015

Made it public. I can give more proofs, as I put some of the screenshot links on my notepad on a previous reply on this thread.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 30, 2015

2:13 payment sent
3:03 payment pending
3:36 Freedom asks Scarlicious to send items before payment clears
3:39 Scarlicious offers to refund
3:42 partial refund issued
4:15 2nd payment is sent to a different Paypal email
4:21 Scarlicious claims 2nd payment is reversed

proof of reverse - http://gyazo.com/5d56e68d64b5e913a6bb23388c995379
freedom sends image showing not reversed - http://puu.sh/f9WIP/08f05f2da6.png

The video is irrelevant as Scarlicious already admitted he didn't give you any items.

Scarlicious send you proof showing the payment was chargedback, your image (http://puu.sh/f9WIP/08f05f2da6.png) is not proof it wasn't.

freedom Dive log into your Paypal account, show the payment in your list, click "details" and show the payment details page. Then go to the "Resolution Center" in Paypal and show me the tickets there. PM me the Youtube URL

Freedom Dive · Jan 30, 2015

Thank you so much Epic, Im closing my office, and heading to my home, will be there in about an hour and a half, as soon as I get, I will send you a pm with the video and notepads with links of the entire skype log (optional).

Scarlicious · Jan 31, 2015

Still waiting for the so called " proof " its funny you have to make a big deal out of it when YOU tried to scam me. Just because you failed doesn't mean you have to try and ruin someones reputation and business. We talked for 2 days bro, 2 days and you dare to try and pull a scam off me lol.. Btw i think the paypal 485.25 and 485.20 is the because of the Canadian and USD currency since my main currency on paypal is canadian and it always converts it i actually didn't notice that the amount was different.

doomedtofail said:
Video is set as private.

But im curious as to why theres two different numbers on this picture why would paypal show two different ammounts? http://gyazo.com/5d56e68d64b5e913a6bb23388c995379 and why the typing is in two different colors. When i blow up a screenshot of my paypal. I get the same color fonts and the typing is not solid on color its shades of multiple. I blow up your screenshot and its mono color and different shades of font.that payment should say on hold not chargeback. and if was reversed it would say refund. i checked my paypal for charged back payments, yes i get them often and they all say refund if they are fully reversed and ones in process of being charged back say hold or temporay hold placed. and no payment on paypal is immediately reversed.
scar
If he charged back payment and you gave him his item you have taken the time to say you delivered the item you have not said that ONCE to this point. you only have pointed to your past history and the fact he charged back payment. you only said he has no proof you scammed him. Never once did you say I delivered item you just point to his lack of feedback and say you really think he would pay 500 for skin.

I don't understand what you're talking about with the colors and font, thats how paypal is for me and i can show you other screenshots for proof. I never delivered the items and never said i did, because once i received the payment i told him to add me on steam as i mentioned before i am a pretty known person in the community of CS and people tend to add me and get my IP to DDOS therefore i don't add anyone randomly. Once i received the request i checked my paypal again and obviously saw the -485.25 and took a screenshot with gyazo of it and sent it to him asking him why he chargedback. I don't know what else i can provide as proof since there isn't much besides him charge backing the payment. Thank you for taking your time with this.

Freedom Dive · Jan 31, 2015

What is more funny is that you are trying to be the victim here just because you are verified or you have more "reputation".
First, there is a screenshot where you gave me a steam profile, still don't know if that account is legit or is yours. After you asked me "did you add me?" I say "request sent" then as soon as I say that, you go "did you charge back me?" <--- this is just LOL
Second, If I was a scammer the very least I can do is wait for the trade to chargeback. Which in this case there was no situation, you just took off with my money, sending me a lame screenshot.
And trust me, I am a business man, I own a company, a legit company. And I can proof with whatever you need me to proof it. I can show you my credentials of my physical store/business.

Conclusion:
I just want the deal what I paid for. If you do not have, give me my money back. If you do, I will forget this situation and the idea of ending the deal so nobody, in both parts complains after for fraud (cause there will not be any), is that the the admin or a mod stays in our skype call, I will share my screen, also I will stream the complete transaction, where I am going to write in a note pad my info and your info, saying that both agreed on this deal, in front of a mod witness. We get the trade, we confirm (everything on video shared screen, also recorded).

I just want the skin man, I finally decide to buy an expensive skin and the first attempt is to scam, or at least it looks like it was a scam.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 31, 2015

I received video from Freedom Dive showing me his Paypal account.

I see two payments for $500, one that was refunded and one that wasn't.

The second payment was to the usfsc**@gmail.com email address. I saw the payment was complete, however at the bottom it said:

This transaction is subject to a buyer Complaint Chargeback or an Unauthorized Claim. Go to the Resolution Center to resolve this issue.

FreedomDrive then went to the Resolution Center where I saw the dispute for this payment.

13:15 PST (transaction time)
13:40 PST (customer assist - first action)

Dispute reason shows "non-receipt claim". If it was a chargeback it would appear as "Unauthorized Claim". This suggests Freedom filed a dispute after not receiving the items.

In the chat Scarlicious you claimed the payment was reversed in 6 mins. From what I saw on Paypal, the first action was 25 mins after payment.

2:13 payment sent
3:03 payment pending
3:36 Freedom asks Scarlicious to send items before payment clears
3:39 Scarlicious offers to refund
3:42 partial refund issued
4:15 2nd payment is sent to a different Paypal email
4:21 Scarlicious claims 2nd payment is reversed

I do not see enough evidence for a scam. Scarlicious please log into Paypal. The dispute shows "waiting for sellers response" so this means you can just issue the refund and close the dispute. You didn't lose any items, so please close the dispute asap.

Freedom Dive · Jan 31, 2015

Or we can finish the deal and I will close the dispute, since I opened after he leaving skype without finishing our deal.

for refund, I want the FULL refund and not partial, that stupid thing of "fees" does not exist when its about refund, wherever you go, even online, if item was not received, you get full refund.

if we are finishing the deal, we can ask to a mod to be the third person on skype, I will share my screen and record it on stream, the whole deal and also once I received the items, I will close the dispute.

Scarlicious · Jan 31, 2015

But i don't have the 485 on my paypal account anymore thats the thing, the money isn't on my paypal account anymore since he tried to charge back and i'm not going to pay 485 from my own pocket when he tried to scam me?

Sakura · Jan 31, 2015

Either issue the refund since you say you didn't give him the item but already acknowledged you received the payment OR GIVE HIM THE ITEM.

Your own words have already admitted to receiving the money - charge backs are not instantaneous so ISSUE. THE. REFUND. and it will close the chargeback case.

Scarlicious · Feb 1, 2015

Sakura said:
Either issue the refund since you say you didn't give him the item but already acknowledged you received the payment OR GIVE HIM THE ITEM.

Your own words have already admitted to receiving the money - charge backs are not instantaneous so ISSUE. THE. REFUND. and it will close the chargeback case.

Am i missing something here? i never said i didn't receive the money, all i said is that when i received the money it disappeared 2 minutes later, so it was either a fraud thing somehow or he chargedback which i proved.. I will NOT pay 485 from my own pocket for nothing. I hope you understand.

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2015

You have to hit refund and close dispute. It does not come out of your pocket. the money is in limbo. Agree to the refund it will close dispute. its not taking 485 out of your pocket its coming out the money that is in limbo in your paypal. technically money is in your account but its on hold.

Epic 1NPC · Feb 1, 2015

In the video the dispute shows as "waiting for sellers response", this means Paypal is waiting for Scarlicious to reply or resolve the dispute.

Scarlicious go to the Resolution Center and you should see the dispute. Since the funds are being disputed, they are not available in your account, but the transaction is still there. Just issue the refund and close it.

If you guys want to re-do the sale after this is over, you can, but please close the payment dispute so we can settle this asap.

Scarlicious · Feb 1, 2015

doomedtofail said:
You have to hit refund and close dispute. It does not come out of your pocket. the money is in limbo. Agree to the refund it will close dispute. its not taking 485 out of your pocket its coming out the money that is in limbo in your paypal. technically money is in your account but its on hold.

Thats what im trying to say, its not onhold in my account, he has the money somehow because i have no access to the transaction i called paypal and they told me you need to pay 450 from your own pocket so your account comes back to positive balance since i only had some money on my paypal.

Sakura · Feb 1, 2015

So show us a screenshot. Show us SOMETHING since literally all you keep doing is posting and showing nothing proving your side.

Chargebacks are not instant and take days/weeks to go through.

You've already been caught in one lie - why are you unable to show any proof at all?

somaliasky · Feb 1, 2015

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2015

"Thats what im trying to say, its not onhold in my account, he has the money somehow because i have no access to the transaction i called paypal and they told me you need to pay 450 from your own pocket so your account comes back to positive balance since i only had some money on my paypal. "

Then that means you took the money out of your paypal account before he charged back. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY YOU DO. ITS IN YOUR ACCOUNT AND ON HOLD. Its not in his account. Its in yours. If you used the money its your own fault and you intended to scam the entire time.

Scarlicious · Feb 1, 2015

I never scammed the guy nor used the money. The guy chargedback right away how is it that hard to understand i've showed you proof ..

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2015

Yes stop stalling. The money is in your account. We all have these issues all the time. Unless you used the money its there. IF YOUR BALANCE IS NEGATIVE yes you have to pay out of your pocket.

There is no way he has the money as that is NOT HOW PAYPAL works. Look stop arguing and just close the dispute.

Scarlicious · Feb 2, 2015

But the money isn't in my account, If it was i would've sent it back to that scamming piece of ****. You see all the trouble he got me? I never scammed anyone in my life nor will ever. I always try to do my best to satisfy my clients and this kid comes up and frames me for scamming him when he tried to scam me. I will provide every proof needed for him to be banned.

Freedom Dive · Feb 2, 2015

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Sakura · Feb 2, 2015

I'm putting a time limit on this. All words with zero proof.

Scar you have 48 hours to refund him the money or you will be banned.

doomedtofail · Feb 2, 2015

Okay this is the last time I will tell you. This is how paypal works. we have all been through charge backs. you receive funds, they are charge backed, paypal puts on hold IN YOUR account, thus taking the amount and putting on hold. The only time that you have to come up with money for a dispute is if your balance was negative.

No one scammed you scarlicious you are scamming here. You never provided any items and your fighting to keep his money.

Epic 1NPC · Feb 2, 2015

As Sakura stated a ban will be issued in 48 hrs unless a refund is issued

Epic 1NPC · Feb 2, 2015

Scarlicious has been banned for failing to resolve this. I was also notified he'a sending fake images to other members where it shows a PM from me to him where I say he's not going to get banned.
http://gyazo.com/3fb45273f5819e9923d88f8ad96101d9

Gl with the Paypal dispute.

scammers info:
[email protected]
abdoaghaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198168591699
[email protected]

Scammed by a verified member - Scarlicious

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