Genesisx scammer - chargedback ~$550 on PayPal

vl4d4s · Sep 23, 2014

Information
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Dispute Date: 23 Sep, 2014
Method of Contact Used: My website Live Chat (www.food4rs.com)
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: found out from this forum that his skype is: "genesis.ares"
EpicNPC username of the person you're accusing: genesisx
Your Instant Messenger ID: Vl4d4s (me, website owner) and Natalie (my employee)

Other information:

DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about? account, money, service? She bought gold on my website twice. $478.50 USD and $76.56 USD. Opened a dispute for unauthorized access on her PayPal account. Dispute is still pending.
Link of transaction thread:www.food4rs.com
Approximate value of property: $555.06 USD

Was a middleman used?
If yes, who?
Provide information about the dispute and what lead to it:
Other details / notes:

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs: Zopim chat logs:
$478.5USD (150m OSRS gold):
http://gyazo.com/d0dbe9785eddf4ed5960caa9a7074977
http://gyazo.com/53d885d9a1ea6b50ad58b563ecf4c5cb
$76.56USD (24m OSRS gold):
http://gyazo.com/7fd39be1481f996286a5398d57189dde

Pictures/Screenshots:
Website orders: http://gyazo.com/2aa4b0fa1e0994e19206366492a6e101
If needed I can submit screenshots from trade as well, but she confirmed on Live Chat that she has received gold.
Other proof:
Proofs that it was an authorized access:
1) She has submitted a picture of her ID
2) Verified email address
3) This is her IP address on our website on both orders:
http://gyazo.com/edcaa0a8b309f3c996de31d008d1eace
Her IP address on public skype with a proof that she is actually using that skype on EpicNPC:
http://gyazo.com/c4b3ee95399a3aee150606edf3ac179c
A picture of this skype account IP address (matches with the IP address on our website):
http://gyazo.com/1325aa59a6b428c86ad237022b60f561
4) Proofs of disputes on PayPal:
http://gyazo.com/1b044796e2f2f821637d21fe1947a622
http://gyazo.com/ff5c8ce254f818fa58029113d5681459

Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the transaction? Yes,I have checked her epicNPC feedbacks.
Have you traded with this person before? No.
Approximately how many transactions have you done on EpicNPC? None.

doomedtofail · Sep 23, 2014

Okay that ip is 100% match and ip is pretty consistent with all of there ip addresses with exception of one. So its indeed them. Now the only thing i dont know about is paypal email because they are not verified here at all and their login email here is entirely different name.
I have notified them of dispute

genesisx · Sep 23, 2014

I do not recognize the paypal address. I did not scam him..... I did not authorize these transactions. I have asked my room mates if one of them has done it but no one has said they did. I do not know what has happened here. I had never contacted this guy on this forum?

doomedtofail · Sep 23, 2014

Now do you know that name at all?

now vl4d4s how did you get the skype, by searching the display name?

genesisx · Sep 23, 2014

I do not recognize the name.

doomedtofail · Sep 23, 2014

Okay well You or someone who has access to your information has done this. Yes a building ip visible to a website can easily match for multiple users in the building. We cannot see how the in building ip is divided we can only see the point of the router, the way its distributed is masked by the router.

But your display name and matching ip worries me. I cannot see someone else in your building using your display name. Thats way too coincidental. Now maybe a room mate? now thats very possible. highly unlikely they would use it on a random website to buy though. now you do have some posts saying your skype is hacked, but it still shows your ip.

genesisx · Sep 23, 2014

doomedtofail said:
Okay well You or someone who has access to your information has done this. Yes a building ip visible to a website can easily match for multiple users in the building. We cannot see how the in building ip is divided we can only see the point of the router, the way its distributed is masked by the router.

But your display name and matching ip worries me. I cannot see someone else in your building using your display name. Thats way too coincidental. Now maybe a room mate? now thats very possible. highly unlikely they would use it on a random website to buy though. now you do have some posts saying your skype is hacked, but it still shows your ip.

take it for what it is. I've had several impostors lately that I've even seen on skype that people have told me about it. I've also had people show me logs of them being scammed by them and that is what my one negative feedback was by a guy who was scammed by someone that was not me but using my name. He came back and posted it publicly after I helped him figure it all out. He has never messaged my skype? he just shows my skype.... He never talked to me or even an impostor skype as far as I can see so I don't know how that means it is me?? He never verified it on my skype or my epicnpc account.... I would hope at least someone would do that before they start claiming it was someone that scammed them. IP address is far from proof of it being that person. and yeah I agree i doubt it is someone random.. but I also live with 5 room mates in my townhouse, all of which play games with me so I do not know for sure if it was any of them or what it was, I have only had the opportunity to talk to one of them so far.

vl4d4s · Sep 24, 2014

Dear doomedtofail,

she linked me to his EpicNPC profile (I have left her a feedback around 3 weeks ago). She talked about buying a lot gw2 gold in the past in chat logs (which you can see). I found out her skype while checking her messages in this forum. If you request via PM a picture of her ID, I am happy to submit it for you. She had access to her email address (password was sent to her email), to PayPal account, she submitted her ID and IP is a perfect match. I would say too many coincidences here for "unauthorized access".

Send me a PM if any additional info is needed.

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Additional info: I know that he has bought more gold from other shops as well those days. And for "unauthorized access" nobody waits 2 weeks to chargeback. I would ask you to ban her from this forum. Also, I would highly recommend to check IP addresses of those "impostors". I feel something fishy here.

Doomedtofail, I am trading gold for more than 3 years now. I have dealt with scammers, this is not an exception. She thought she would get away with it because I am not registered here. I have 400+ FB on Sythe, 400+ on OSBOT, 200+ on PB and 100+ on tribot. Donor/sponsor on all of them, can PM you any time.

doomedtofail · Sep 24, 2014

"take it for what it is."
I'll take it for what it is. The "imposter" is using your ip. You do not know how many time someone tries to claim this, that someone is scamming from their ip using their name.

"I've had several impostors lately that I've even seen on skype that people have told me about it." this all nice and good but has little meaning here as the "imposter" we are discussing uses your ip.

genesisx · Sep 24, 2014

Well all I guess I can really say is that was not me. You can ask anyone I've done business with in the past, they will know me via my verified PayPal and I'm not a girl.

There was 0 verification via Skype or the forums. I don't know how you can see that it was me other than an IP Address. I hardly believe that alone is just enough to ban someone who has been on here for quite awhile with quite a few transactions that I've never scammed I'm the past and have always used MY PayPal and not the one that is claimed here.

Pm me I'll be happy to provide any information about past transactions. I deal with Lechris pretty much all the time and Lechris is one of the biggest sellers on the site. I'm sure they'd be willing to provide information on this subject as well as I've spent about 1500 on her shop over the past year.

PS: I have sent you Doomed, a bunch of screenshots showing what I have said above to be true.

doomedtofail · Sep 24, 2014

Yea I see the list of information you posted. Does little to prove innocence. So someone in your own building is using YOUR ACCOUNT NAME and linking your thread and scamming. Thats nearly impossible to occur and hard to believe

Dafke · Sep 24, 2014

This guy scammed me 400 euro yesterday too.
his IP is IP down: 162.17.35.33 (09/23/2014 - 18;24 CEST timezone).
I informed police already and western union.

He told to put money on Brody McWilliams Bloomington Indiana.
So all your info sent it to police and we get this little ****er.

vl4d4s · Sep 24, 2014

Sorry for you loss Dafke. But please, someone ban him as soon as possible.

Dafke · Sep 24, 2014

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

vl4d4s · Sep 24, 2014

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Epic 1NPC · Sep 24, 2014

genesisx this is not someone impersonating you, this is someone using your Skype account to scam.

Your received feedback from vl4d4s 3 weeks ago. If you didn't buy anything why didn't you either report the random feedback or contact Vl4d4s about it asking him why he gave it to you?
http://www.epicnpc.com/itrader.php?u=238786

The IP for the sales and Skype all match you EpicNPC account IP, so if it was hacked they're using your Skype & EpicNPC account, which you are responsible for. We have an free authenticator you can easily add to your EpicNPC account http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/378588-Usergroup-Benefits

Regardless you are responsible for you account, there's no way for me to know if you got hacked or not, so you must pay vl4d4s 555.06 US for the disputed payments.

A warning has been added to genesisx's account. Ban in 48 hrs if payment is not made or payment disputes aren't canceled.

genesisx · Sep 24, 2014

It's okay I figured out what had happened I have already messaged the other mod posting in here but I will also message you

Dafke · Sep 24, 2014

The Guy scammed me for 400 euro on Western Union and picked it up himself. So it is easier for me to get everything settled with police. He is stupid enough to not give money back; and will feel the consequences by his choice

doomedtofail · Sep 24, 2014

Dafke please pm me all western union information on this please. ( do not use chat mine does not work)

doomedtofail · Sep 25, 2014

Well western union information goes to a brody mcwilliams at your home town

Dafke · Sep 25, 2014

Ok i got reply from Western Union, Now i filled in a whole letter with all details and the crime of theft. Hope i get reply soon and this guy will get police at his door

vl4d4s · Sep 25, 2014

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

doomedtofail · Sep 25, 2014

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Epic 1NPC · Sep 25, 2014

GenesisX said:
I have figured out that it was one of my room mates who had preyed upon one of our other room mates basically committing id fraud in the process (we are discussion repercussions now and if he should go to police or not)

I have talked with the other parties that were dragged into this situation and the female whose paypal account was used in the process said yes she had disputed it, but has now lost the dispute due to proof i guess is what she said paypal has said so Vl4d4s has his money back now. It was refunded though apparently today back to Vl4d4s before I had even talked to her. I can get a screenshot if vl4d4s is not willing to provide this.

Vl4d4s can you confirm you won the dispute?

Roomates:
GenesisX (Victim)
roommateA(scammer)
roommateB (victim)

GenesisX is claiming roommateA (scammer) used his Skype account to scam and used roommateB's name for the WU pickup scam. The scammer also used RoommatesB GF's Paypal account to send payment.

How did RoommateA know RoommateB's GF's Paypal login info?

Considering over $1000 was scammed from multiple people, genesisx you will still be banned unless I see a police report or confirmation from one of the victims that he's been arrested because I don't know if you're telling the truth.

doomedtofail · Sep 25, 2014

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Dafke · Sep 25, 2014

they didnt contact me on skype yet about the WU incident. So they can tell what they want, WU is investigating this seriously as fraud. If he just had sent me money back i wouldnt make a case. But i guess he decided not to. He decided to change his IP to 99.127.253.159. Not that it matters anymore

vl4d4s · Sep 25, 2014

I confirm that I won the dispute. I can show pics of me winning it. Not them canceling it. There is no roommateA or roommateB. There is a guy and his GF who think that they can make money easily. Both of them not too smart though, sharing same IP. I wish admins could somehow help Dafke providing him with any information about his IP/names/emails on this website rather than just trying to justify stories genesisx has made up. He is a real scammer, there is no chance I would believe any of his stories.

I can't provide proofs for that, BUT I know for 100% that he has ordered gold from other gold shops as well. I hope he has lost those disputes as well

Good luck, Dafke!

Dafke · Sep 25, 2014

Thank you, The more info i can get about this guy the better. Waiting on a reply of the guy if he even dares to, and if not no choice then let the police do the work. I do not care who did it, they are both guilty .

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Genesis Ares replies:
I have looked into the matter and as far as I know nothing has been stolen :/ you have sent money via western union for a digital item and the item was delivered and you are now attempting to scam. Ive sent my screens to mod here, they can proof you scammed. You lost a dispute on paypal for scamming too. If it has to be this way, i have no option left then to open a case and charge you for online fraud.

Epic 1NPC · Sep 26, 2014

I'm not saying I believe Genesisx's story, however I posted his claim so it's public record. As stated above Genesisx will still be banned unless he can show proof that his roommate was arrested.

Unfortunately I do not have any info on Genesisx other than his email and IP address because he is not upgraded. However the original IP you posted is a match.

Ban will be issued in 24 hrs unless the money is returned to Dafke before then.

Dafke · Sep 26, 2014

He already stated he probably won't give back. So i see no other option then involving his university, job, police, family into this. They can know what they are doing and frauding / scamming people's money. Talking about a future perspective job

Lets see how well they will do after everything gets released and police starts investigation

University replied me already they will cooperate with the university police department. I got the guy his phone number everything. So yes he chose it to be this way

vl4d4s · Sep 26, 2014

I think this case will be very good example how cyber crime will end in real life punishment.

Dafke · Sep 26, 2014

Indeed, If he was smart enough he would just pay the 400 eur back. But i think he loves living on the edge of taking risks. But this time it wont have a happy ending.

Epic 1NPC · Sep 27, 2014

genesisx was online today and didn't reply or post any proof.

genesisx ([email protected]) been banned.

Proof has been shown genesisx's computer and Skype were used in the scams. No proof was show by genesisx that it was his roommate that scammed or that he reported him to police for the $1000+ theft that took place.

genesisx will only be unbanned if he can show some police report that his roommate was arrested.

Gl with WU, hopefully they can get your money back.

Genesisx scammer - chargedback ~$550 on PayPal

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