User "Beraccounts" Copies "AccountShark" Website

[AccountShark.net]

This has been an ongoing issue for the past 3 years. Felt like this should be posted publicly since nothing is being done about it. Nobody wants to deal with this guy or hold him accountable for his bullshit, so I'll take one for the team. I'm not the only one who has been negatively affected by this user. I've tried to be patient with him but I'm fed up with the harassment at this point.

EpicNPC doesn't seem to have an issue with his behavior so this is for entertainment purposes only. I don't expect anything to change. Simply pointing out the facts so people know what's happening and what my official stance is.

Videos with all the details below. They are unlisted so only people on this thread can view them. Apologies for the length and quality.

I don't plan on turning this into a big discussion but let me know what you think in the comments or by private message.

- How would you react to this if you were in the same situation?
- What would you do?
- Would you trust a website that has been copied from another?
- Is his behavior appropriate? Is his behavior professional?
- Do the websites look identical? Or am I completely wrong?
- Where should EpicNPC draw the line on harassment like this?

Enjoy!

Full coverage + thoughts:

Screen recording of his site linking back to mine:

Him indexing my site (recorded one week ago):

Asking him to stop copying my site in 2019, 2020, and 2021:

https://imgur.com/a/hYEmH8Y

 

[Phantomous]

This guy is a ****ing RAT.

 

[AZURAKAGAMI]

This guy is a ****ing RAT.

Why do you think he is a rat? Someone put a work to design, configure, and manage his own website and you are telling him being a rat because he is mad that someone copied his website? Pal, if I were him, I would be mad too.

 

[Phantomous]

Why do you think he is a rat? Someone put a work to design, configure, and manage his own website and you are telling him being a rat because he is mad that someone copied his website? Pal, if I were him, I would be mad too.

Edit. In the passion of the moment I raged out at you.

I was talking about Bera being a little rataouillle ****head. Accountshark is obviously in the right here.

 

[AZURAKAGAMI]

I'm going to give you a buy and assume English isn't your first language, pal. I was calling Bera a rat, not Accountshark. If anyone has an opposing view I'd love to hear it.

Thanks for the clarification. )

Edit - No worries, I did not take it personally.

 

[Romolus]

Was contemplating for a moment, if I even should give my opinion to this situation, but since you clearly are asking for it multiple times throughout the video I have this to say:

If something like this was to happen to me, I might at first be angry, but knowing it's the internet, your case isn’t the first one I have come across in all these years. Well, even I have been in the same situation once. For some odd reasons, people over the years have managed to justify just ripping off people’s hard work, no matter if its the design industry of fashion, a counterfeit product or just straight plagiarism. However, needless to say, what is IP infringement and what is not is extremely subject and a case to case study, even for the court.

Here is the issue I personally see. I’m not aware to which degree your own website is custom work, or uses some base code structures that are publicly available or haven’t been used somewhere else before.

From what I have seen so far, he seems to copy 1:1 your text and there is no denying in that it’s not ok.

What would I have done in your case? I’m not quite sure how to answer, since I do not know your entire situation and how much it bothers your as an individual and as a business. In this situation, most people tend to contact a lawyer to resolve the issue. The question is rather: Are you willing to invest money in pursuing a legal endeavor that might at the end yield an uncertain outlook?

You did good by trying to resolve the issue with bera beforehand contacting the admin. So in those regards you did everything right. Though, I’m not fully aware what could be done further from our side, as this is more of a dispute between two private individuals who run a business. Also, I cannot speak and won’t on behalf of the admin, therefore I cannot answer that particular question and will refrain strongly from doing so.

Overall, I do not think that this is professional at all nor the way he is handling the situation. But, I’m sure he will have second thoughts, now that you have publicly spoken out about the issue.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

As many knows, I don't respect to this person and never will be. I didn't read messages that is written in this topic and I have no intention to do it. Long story short, I did required changes Admin requested from me to do it which was related to replacement writings. We have changed them days ago.


First of all, I have to mention about one subject. I am using my exact same core design since 2017 and I have never changed it. I purchased a theme, hired a designer and created my own website. These licenses and features are property of theme's creator, not yours. You have absoulutely no right or ownership on anything that you claim you are.

Screenshot below proves that he also used same exact features which was in his theme and he didn't made anything custom. I used your website like I used many others to obtain replacement features such as screenshots and writings.

There is also something extremely funny. Let me show below:

My first ever footer is visible at one of Shark's videos. Isn't my footer looks very similar to Shark's current footer? You used my footer with just adding two straight lines between visible sections. As a note, this is completely fine with me. But what you did was, sending a message to me and accusing me for stealing your footer. I have never changed this footer since my first ever website but you started to use this footer on your second website. Looks like someone's ideas are actually not that original. I have used various features way before you but I have never complained about you having the same features in your website.

What I believe is, if a feature is available in a theme or can be recreated by a person, I don't see any reason for this person to not use it. Because this feature or design is not belongs to a me or anybody else. It can be done in 5 minutes by any person who knows this field well enough.


I will also refer to some other features that you claimed to being yours.

https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/hand_3426030https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/holy_3426043https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/ice_3426085https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/druid_3426111https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/tornado_3426123https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/ranger_3426233https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/hammer_3426188https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/fire_3426194https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/dragon_3426227https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/sword_3426245https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/knives_3426301
I have also decided to use these icons after seeing this topic. Owner of these licenses says I can use his work if I pay for his money. I don't know about you but sounds good to me.


Also as my last words, stop thinking that you own everything you used on your website. Every single feature that you used in your website is available on many sources in many form. You are acting like you are the chosen one who can think about moving a basic menu to middle of a page.

 

[AccountShark.net]

As many knows, I don't respect to this person and never will be. I didn't read messages that is written in this topic and I have no intention to do it. Long story short, I did required changes Admin requested from me to do it which was related to writings on my website.


First of all, I have to mention about one subject. I am using my exact same core design since 2017 and I have never changed it. I purchased a theme, hired a designer and created my own website. These licenses and features are property of theme's creator, not yours. You have absoulutely no right or ownership on anything that you claim you are.

Screenshot below proves that he also used same exact features which was in his theme and he didn't made anything custom. I used your website like I used many others to obtain replacement features such as screenshots and writings.



There is also something extremely funny. Let me show below:



My first ever footer is visible at one of Shark's videos. Isn't my footer looks very similar to Shark's current footer? You used my footer with just adding two straight lines between visible sections. As a note, this is completely fine with me. But what you did was, sending a message to me and accusing me for stealing your footer. I have never changed this footer since my first ever website but you started to use this footer on your second website. Looks like someone's ideas are actually not that original. I have used various features way before you but I have never complained about you having the same features in your website.

What I believe is, if a feature is available in a theme or can be recreated by a person, I don't see any reason for this person to not use it. Because this feature or design is not belongs to a me or anybody else. It can be done in 5 minutes by any person who knows this field well enough.


I will also refer to some other features that you claimed to being yours.

https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/hand_3426030https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/holy_3426043https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/ice_3426085https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/druid_3426111https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/tornado_3426123https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/ranger_3426233https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/hammer_3426188https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/fire_3426194https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/dragon_3426227https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/sword_3426245https://www.flaticon.com/premium-icon/knives_3426301
I have also decided to use these icons after seeing this topic. Owner of these licenses says I can use his work if I pay for his money. Sounds good to me. If you want to cry about that too, my DM will be always available for you, no worries, write to me anytime you want.


Also as my last words, stop thinking that you own everything you used on your website. Every single feature that you used in your website is available on many sources in many form. You are acting like you are the chosen one who can think about moving a basic menu to middle of a page.

Your site is still an indexed copy of my own. You didn't "build" a site using a theme or create a similar design using a theme. If you're cool with looking unprofessional, do whatever you like. Clearly you don't care about your image or you might put the smallest amount of effort into coming up with something unique like everyone else does. I gave you plenty of advice in the past on how to create your own custom brand and instead you've been copying my site for years. This thread is simply to point that out to anyone who is unaware.

My first ever footer is visible at one of Shark's videos. Isn't my footer looks very similar to Shark's current footer? You used my footer with just adding two straight lines between visible sections. As a note, this is completely fine with me. But what you did was, sending a message to me and accusing me for stealing your footer. I have never changed this footer since my first ever website but you started to use this footer on your second website. Looks like someone's ideas are actually not that original. I have used various features way before you but I have never complained about you having the same features in your website.

I contacted you about this in 2019 when you "redesigned" your website by copying mine the second time. Everything is covered in the videos.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

I would prefer to look unprofessional rather than stealing people's design ideas and send them messages with saying 'Oh I did that' to make it look like I actually created them.

Everything on my website are build from stratch. If an EpicNPC Admin wants to confirm that claim, I can share my panel details with him anytime he desires.

I still use the same exact core design since 2017 and I will be using it as long as I want it. You took your core design from a theme as I did. You can go and cry to your theme owner with saying he shouldn't sell his theme to others because you don't feel special anymore since no matter what you say to me, simply I don't care.

My customers who knows my previous website designs are just saying 'Why you designed a new website for switch to dark mode?'. People doesn't even recognize the difference so whatever you are trying to make people aware of, keep it up.

I don't need advices from a snake and I never asked for your advices.

As a side note, I have registered this theme's intellectual property rights under my name via my designer company. I can even market this theme on any platform that I want completely freely. So technically, this is my theme now and you are saying to a theme's owner to not use his own theme. Sounds lovely.

 

[AccountShark.net]

I would prefer to look unprofessional rather than stealing people's design ideas and send them messages with saying 'Oh I did that' to make it look like I actually created them.

Everything on my website are build from stratch. If an EpicNPC Admin wants to confirm that claim, I can share my panel details with him anytime he desires.

I still use the same exact core design since 2017 and I will be using it as long as I want it. You took your core design from a theme as I did. You can go and cry to your theme owner with saying he shouldn't sell his theme to others because you don't feel special anymore since no matter what you say to me, simply I don't care.

My customers who knows my previous website designs are just saying 'Why you designed a new website for switch to dark mode?'. People doesn't even recognize the difference so whatever you are trying to make people aware of, keep it up.

I don't need advices from a snake and I never asked for your advices.

As a side note, I have registered this theme's intellectual property rights under my name via my designer company. I can even market this theme on any platform that I want completely freely. So technically, this is my theme now.

Everything is documented, sorry. Act like a moron and run your mouth all you want. You're just embarrassing yourself. Can't say I'm surprised that your genius solution to this problem was to deflect any sort of responsibility despite the evidence presented and actually openly say that you're going to copy more features from my site.

 

[Romolus]

I don't need advices from a snake and I never asked for your advices.

I don’t think I’m asking too much from two adults, if both of you could avoid insulting each other. You can have you discourse, but in a more polite manner.

 

[AccountShark.net]

I don’t think I’m asking too much from two adults, if both of you could avoid insulting each other. You can have you discourse, but in a more polite manner.

Sure, no problem. Hard to not get frustrated by this when it's been an ongoing problem for years. I don’t have much else to add. The thread was created to simply point out what he’s doing. Seems like he prefers to keep raving instead of making changes or admitting fault despite what's been shown, so I’ll let it be rather than feed into the toxicity. If he decides to come around and do the right thing then I’ll take the thread down.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

Documented what? I don't see anything except you crying about how our writings were same, how we had same Terns of Service sections and so on. None of them are present in the website right now.

Act like a moron

Moronic response.

@Romolus he have two messages that you can warn him about too. Is he privilaged or these warning terms are only valid for me?

 

[Romolus]

I think I was very clear that I meant both of you to an equal level.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

I think I was very clear that I meant both of you to an equally level.

Then I would prefer you to quote both of our messages rather than only quoting my message. Since clearly he called me moron before I called him snake.

 

[Romolus]

Let me remind you that this thread isn't about me, so don't use me as your personal scapegoat. We have forum rules, which everybody have to follow. Obviously, I am having the thread on watch. I bothered looking, because I heard my inbox pinging from rooms away. I'm doing my job here, which is and reminding the both of you.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

If he decides to come around and do the right thing then I’ll take the thread down.

I don't need your permission to use my own theme that I am using since 2017. Every feature that claimed to be stolen from you was active on my website since day 1.

Only part you are right about is writing part. I used your writings temporarily as placeholders and I have changed them immediately when I was able to do it. I used placeholders from many vendors, not only from you.

These features are easily accessible by anybody if they are able to pay for their worth. None of these features are belongs to you.

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Let me remind you that this thread isn't about me. We have forum rules, which everybody have to follow. I'm doing my job here just and reminding you.

I respect to your job and I acknowledge your presence and purpose. My point is, if you wanted to warn both of us, you could just write without quoting anybody in your message. If you specifically quote my message, that looks not fair. Since he was the one who insulted me at first. That was my whole point. As I said, I respect to your job and I have no problem with you.

 

[AccountShark.net]

I don't need your permission to use my own theme that I am using since 2017. Every feature that claimed to be stolen from you was active on my website since day 1.

Only part you are right about is writing part. I used your writings temporarily as placeholders and I have changed them immediately when I was able to do it. I used placeholders from many vendors, not only from you.

These features are easily accessible by anybody if they are able to pay for their worth. None of these features are belongs to you.

You didn’t have a website in 2017.

- You were contacted about your first “website” early 2019 because you had sourced graphics and text from mine. Documented.

- You were contacted in 2020 after doing the same thing again and changing your website after I updated mine. Your website included links to my site for over a year. Documented.

- You were contacted in 2021 after doing the same thing again, but this time you indexed my entire site. Your site is still indexed to mine. Documented.

What is the point of this charade? Why even bother acting like you haven’t done what you’ve done when there is recorded proof of you indexing my site, your site linking to mine, your website looking identical to mine, your text being identical to mine, and your forms being sent to my inbox? Why would these things exist if you had been “using the same theme” for years? Everyone can see exactly what has transpired, and your “professional” response to these things is to not only lie and deflect from the issue, but openly admit that you’re going to copy more content from me? Come on dude, be a man and take some responsibility for your actions. Have enough respect for your “business” to create something you can be proud of. I haven’t once said “you can’t use a specific theme” at all. I don’t care what theme you use. The problem is that you didn’t simply install a theme, you just copied the code from my site including everything that was custom made. I’ve encouraged you repeatedly to design your own content and explained on multiple occasions how that would benefit you in the long run. I’ve been very patient with you up until now.

I don’t even care that your site looks the way it does. It’s embarrassing for you and nobody else. The purpose of the thread is to simply point out a problem that has been ongoing for many years now. You can keep on ranting and raving like a lunatic all you want. The videos cover everything. I’m not going to exhaust myself by being your punching bag, so I won’t reply again.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

Accountshark locked his topic just before I give my response so I had to open a new topic.

As I stated in previous topic, there is absolutely nothing unique or custom in Accountshark's website. He literally copy pasted a theme together with publicly available icons and tried to accuse me for stealing his 'unique and custom design' ideas which is clearly not true. None of these theme features belongs or unique to you. Never try to accuse me with copying your 'unique' ideas again.

Anyone who wants to compare these with Shark’s website, feel free to visit www.accountshark.com

Now, we can close that.


Menu + Banner

Banner + 6 informative Icons (6x)

Main Page Navigation Area (He removed that navigation section)

Account Description Area

Your Feedback Areas (1 moving feedback flow and 2 comment section)

Footer Area Moved to Down for Copy Mine

Your Class Filter Area

Your Checkout Screen

ICONS

Link: https://www.flaticon.com/packs/role-playing-game

 

[SexOnSniper]

@bera

Documented what? I don't see anything except you crying about how our writings were same, how we had same Terns of Service sections and so on. None of them are present in the website right now.




@Romolus he have two messages that you can warn him about too. Is he privilaged or these warning terms are only valid for me?

You are literally malting. You carbon copy his website knowing FULL WELL of his presence and branding. Even if it is the same theme, you know that is HIS BRAND. NOT YOURS. You are copying it because you are too lazy to create a brand of your own. It is pathetic. You can't carbon copy a website and call it a reference.

 

[P1trsavanger]

Yeah, BERA is an infamous psychopath here. He will be gaslighting people still on his death bed. It seems like he will weasel his way out again, despite multiple warnings.

 

[Adoxia]

This isn’t a thread for insulting. Any name calling or causing an argument will result in warnings.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

As usual, guys that I do not bother became haters for no reason and chase me 7/24 which is okay. I am used to it and it doesn't gives me anything but joy.

Misconception of you guys are having is thinking that this theme is related to a brand. Absoulutely not. Every single feature that is used on this person's website is available on this theme as default which is I am also using since my first ever website. This is not a private or custom made theme for a specific person. Anybody who have 50 USD in their pocket, can purchase this theme from shopify and use it. As he stated in his direct messages, there was nothing custom coded by him when he started to use this theme. But somehow, he believes this is a 'different situation' which is absolutely not. There is nothing about branding or whatever, this theme hasn't been found or created by Shark.

'Oh, Shark used this theme on his website. Now, we cannot use it because he says this is his brand now.' How stupid is that? I paid to theme's owner and he granted me acceess to those features. I took my permission to use those features from theme's owner which is the only person who can talk about branding and ownership rights. Just because a ninja turtle added 'This is my brand's property' under a default theme, doesn't makes him the owner of the design. He cannot show anything that is copied from his website except temporary writings, forms and banners. We designed our website from square 1 without copying or stealing any code.

Let's make a demonstration. Header is default, Logo area is default, menu is default, body is default, main page 6x icon area is default, highlighted content is default, Posts and “feed” content is default, buttons are default, product listing areas are default and footer is default and even placements are default. I do not see any 'brand' work there because I also use those same exact features like many other theme user.

Sorry but removing a shoe size section from a listing page does not make it someone else's own design. If you do not like people using the same features with you, go design your own theme or make changes that seperates your website from other same theme users.

 

[AccountShark.net]

Yeah, BERA is an infamous psychopath here. He will be gaslighting people still on his death bed. It seems like he will weasel his way out again, despite multiple warnings.

Couldn’t have said it better. Gaslighting is a great word for it.

 

[AZURAKAGAMI]

Hi @BERAccounts.com,

I would like to say that I fully agree with you with the paid theme. I am using a purchased theme as well to redesign, configure, and adding my own content. I think you are under a misconception. Accountshark wasn't mad that you are using the same theme as you are stating countless times but we can see, that you are copy-pasting his content without even bothering to change it (visually, text, and even the email configuration).

Let's put aside the fact, both of you are using the same theme. We can see on the video this issue is going on for over two years or so. He asked you to change the content back in 2019-2020 (visible in screenshots) and you told him it's only temporary and you will change it later on.

I won't write any long paragraphs but the video has been uploaded on Aug 16, 2021, and we can still see the same content without any further action made. You have been suspended for that and after that, you changed it which I am glad for you. It took a while but kudo to that.

K

 

[BERAccounts.com]

Actually, I was going to point out to that. Before he started this topic, direction links were completely removed from my website except one that we are missed. If Shark can show when he recorded his first video, that would be good to know.

As I stated, I took temporary forms and writings from various websites to see how they look in my website and removed them afterwards. I have no intention to change my website visually since this is the exact same core that I am using since past 4 years.

Let's put aside the fact, both of you are using the same theme. We can see on the video this issue is going on for over two years or so. He asked you to change the content back in 2019-2020 (visible in screenshots) and you told him it's only temporary and you will change it later on.

If you ask to me, old websites are irrelevant. He admits that he didn't made any changes on these core designs aswell so using a temporary banner and writings shouldn't be that much of a big deal since they were never used on my websites after design phase is done.

I won't write any long paragraphs but the video has been uploaded on Aug 16, 2021, and we can still see the same content without any further action made. You have been suspended for that and after that, you changed it which I am glad for you. It took a while but kudo to that.

Forms, directions and writings was changed way before I was suspended. But looks like my designer didn't removed one page that was directing users to Shark's website which was changed immediately after I realized that. I also want to apologize to Shark for temporarily using his writings. But other than that, I have nothing to be sorry at this point.

Thank you for your comment @AZURAKAGAMI .

 

[AccountShark.net]

Actually, I was going to point out to that. Before he started this topic, direction links were completely removed from my website except one that we are missed. If Shark can show when he recorded his first video, that would be good to know.

As I stated, I took temporary forms and writings from various websites to see how they look in my website and removed them afterwards. I have no intention to change my website visually since this is the exact same core that I am using since past 4 years.


If you ask to me, old websites are irrelevant. He admits that he didn't made any changes on these core designs aswell so using a temporary banner and writings shouldn't be that much of a big deal since they were never used on my websites after design phase is done.


Forms, directions and writings was changed way before I was suspended. But looks like my designer didn't removed one page that was directing users to Shark's website which was changed immediately after I realized that. I also want to apologize to Shark for temporarily using his writings. But other than that, I have nothing to be sorry at this point.

Thank you for your comment @AZURAKAGAMI .

I don’t understand how you can continuously lie and gaslight so easily without skipping a beat.

- I’ve told you before that many aspects of my website are custom coded using CSS. Seems you are having trouble figuring out how to use those aspects on your own site since it’s still fully nonfunctional.

- You didn’t have a website 4 years ago. You keep saying this and it simply isn’t true. Your “design” has changed every 3 years since 2019, each time becoming a closer copy of my own.

- You’ve gone out of your way repeatedly to use the same theme, text, code, and content as me for years. You act like it was coincidental or unavoidable that we’re using the same theme. Until last month we weren’t, then one day your site looked identical to mine. Strange.

- As pointed out by myself and many others, nobody cares what theme you use. The recordings demonstrate that you did not simply use the same theme and design it to look like my site. You indexed my site and copied the source code. Deflection from this is not possible.

- You also did not take “references” from my site or any others. Copying is not the same as referencing, and the only site you sourced information from was mine.

- Your website contained links to my website for over a year. These were not immediately changed. You made no changes that I asked you to make until you were forced to under penalty of being banned.

There is no argument to be made but I know you will defend your horrible behavior until your dying breath. Why? Everyone here is simply encouraging you to design a unique website yourself and make it look how you want without copying someone else. That would benefit you immensely. Instead you’re ignoring those suggestions and trying to justify your actions at any cost. It’s a pity you don’t see the problem.

 

[AccountShark.net]

If you do not like people using the same features with you, go design your own theme or make changes that seperates your website from other same theme users.

And this is exactly what you didn't do.

You didn't do anything to separate your website from mine. If you spent as much time developing your own site as you spent trying to figure out exactly what theme I used, the content I used, and intentionally copying that, all of which is predatory behavior, you might actually have a decent website to show for it. Instead, you do not.

Sorry, but I don't feel compelled to spend thousands on changing my website again just because you can't be bothered to stop copying it. I'm not the one who should be embarrassed here. The fact that you feel the need to have a website at all and don't even care enough to make it functional or unique is laughable.

 

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[SaltnVinegar]

This isnt a feedback thread for Bera bashing.

This has been sorted, as my sources say.

Closing this. Don't reopen it or it gets deleted.