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I didn't want to change the subject of the other post going on with guns right now about that poor girl shooting herself so I started this one.

Before I get to the main question a little background, I have never shot a gun in my life, never have felt the urge to go out shootin or anything like that. But lately I have for no sane reason have kind of been feeling a little nervous at night in my home with my girlfriend.

I am trying to decide if I should purchase a gun for protection in my home. I don't live in a bad neighborhood, there has been no burglary s in my area *that I know about* But for the past few months I have just been nervous at night and I feel that a gun might help me at night.

So what do you guys think? and if you guys are for me purchasing a gun, what would you suggest I get? rifle? shotgun? handgun?
 
I am actually a firearms, Taser, and OC Pepper spray instructor. I would recommend that you first visit a firing range and shoot a little before you make a purchase like that. NEVER EVER try to use a gun before learning all you can about the mechanics and safety concerns of firearms.

If your neighborhood is a semi-peaceful place, just get a trusty baseball bat and have it readily available in case of intruders. Besides, gun and ammo prices are insane right now. If you really feel the need to get one, wait until they go down in price a little...or see if any friends or relatives have a decent used one for sale.

But, to answer your which to buy question, You cannot go wrong with a semi-auto handgun once you learn to use it effectively.

And please...take a PROFESSIONAL firearms class if you decide to get one. Don't listen to gun owners alone. Most "expert" shooters that I train have horribly bad habits when handling guns.
 
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Your prob better off with a baseball bat and a full home security system. Or how about a guard dog? These are other alternatives to buying a gun. I'm not against owning a gun but being inexperienced with a gun in a situation where you may feel the need to use it could be even more dangerous.
 
You know, the more I think about it, the better a nice wood baseball bat sounds lol.

I just always imagined wanted a gun as the "ultimate defense" but like you guys are saying with no training could end up causing more problems then their would be if someone did break into my house lol
 
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Ya, and getting creative with house hold items for self-defense is always more fun anyway.
 
What woohoo said.

If you are willing to attend a firearms class, done by a group of professionals, then get yourself a handgun.

Yes, it IS the ultimate defense. However, there is a lot of responsibility involved. As the gun owner, YOU are responsible for the gun at all times. You need to know your local gun laws, as well as your local self defense laws.

A baseball bat is great... as long as the other guy doesn't have a gun, or even a knife.
 
If you don't plan on getting a CCW or some sort of carry permit, I would suggest purchasing a shotgun instead. Many people argue whether the handgun is superior to the shotgun when it comes to home defense, but the shotgun is arguably much more noobie friendly. And, in most cases, it's cheaper.
 
I live in a very peaceful neighborhood, my family and I do however have multiple guns just in case, better to be safe than sorry.
There are no small children in my house, I'm the youngest at 19 and have been using guns at a young age.
A bat in your case will be ultimately better, you say that you have been nervous at night, a nervous man with a gun is never a good thing and accidents can happen.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kathunx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't plan on getting a CCW or some sort of carry permit, I would suggest purchasing a shotgun instead. Many people argue whether the handgun is superior to the shotgun when it comes to home defense, but the shotgun is arguably much more noobie friendly. And, in most cases, it's cheaper. </div></div>

I agree with you on the user friendliness of a shotgun. But, in close quarter (indoor) combat, the handgun is better due to the shotguns barrel length.

And...Taser makes a civilian model that has a 30 second burst. If you have ever been tased, the normal 5 second ride feels like eternity...I can't even imagine 30 seconds of that torture.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woohoo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with you on the user friendliness of a shotgun. But, in close quarter (indoor) combat, the handgun is better due to the shotguns barrel length.

And...Taser makes a civilian model that has a 30 second burst. If you have ever been tased, the normal 5 second ride feels like eternity...I can't even imagine 30 seconds of that torture.</div></div>
I would rather use a handgun any day, but that's only because I've put tens of thousands of rounds through shoothouses training with it. A lot of new shooters, especially in high-stress situations, can easily miss targets that are 10 meters away from them with a handgun. It would be hard to miss anything that close with a shotgun.

I guess it also depends on the layout of your place... I've gone up against krav maga studs who were able to disarm me of my remington no matter how I approached the corner. But I'm assuming most bad guys attacking me aren't going to be as skilled
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And 30 seconds from a taser? Jeeeesus! I've taken a short burst from an M26c and that put me on my [censored] pretty fast. 30 seconds is ridiculous!
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kathunx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woohoo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with you on the user friendliness of a shotgun. But, in close quarter (indoor) combat, the handgun is better due to the shotguns barrel length.

And...Taser makes a civilian model that has a 30 second burst. If you have ever been tased, the normal 5 second ride feels like eternity...I can't even imagine 30 seconds of that torture.</div></div>
I would rather use a handgun any day, but that's only because I've put tens of thousands of rounds through shoothouses training with it. A lot of new shooters, especially in high-stress situations, can easily miss targets that are 10 meters away from them with a handgun. It would be hard to miss anything that close with a shotgun.

I guess it also depends on the layout of your place... I've gone up against krav maga studs who were able to disarm me of my remington no matter how I approached the corner. But I'm assuming most bad guys attacking me aren't going to be as skilled
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And 30 seconds from a taser? Jeeeesus! I've taken a short burst from an M26c and that put me on my [censored] pretty fast. 30 seconds is ridiculous! </div></div>

If you want to see something really impressive, look up the xrep round taser makes that is launched from a shotgun....it's bad news.
 
A firearm as a home security device is quite effective, usually never needs to be actually used, and does provide some peace of mind in some cases.

People bring up sound points about teaching yourself to use a firearm. Shooting ranges generally have someone around that can coach you in the correct use of a firearm, and once you get over the initial fear or leeriness of using a firearm, its quite simple. It will help to alleviate your nervousness as well, but there are a lot of laws and rules to owning a firearm. It's a responsibility just like owning a car or a house, which if I remember right you just bought your first house.

Personally, I find going to the range, or some friends outside of the municipal limits and shooting off a few hundred rounds with various firearms to be quite a stress reliever and helps to focus my brain when thoughts get scattered about. Something about the power you feel, or the thrill of it maybe.

I was taught how to fire many different sort of weapons at a young age though as my family kept multiple weapons about. Respecting the power of a firearm is key to its healthy use.

Keep it simply though, you don't need some hand cannon or semi automatic for home security lol. A 38 is always an excellent choice due to its ease of use. Any sort of pump style shotgun is always quite effective at slowing down most anyone. There is no sound more threatening than pumping a shell into the chamber of a 12 gauge, just that sound will give most anyone pause.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> There is no sound more threatening than pumping a shell into the chamber of a 12 gauge, just that sound will give most anyone pause.

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Oh god I second that. I was on a call about a year ago to a "diabetic emergency" who turned out to have mental problems. I hit the top stair and heard the cocking of that 12 gauge and just dove on my partner to get us off the porch, right before a round came through the door. Fun times >.>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DinnerRollofDoom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> for the past few months I have just been nervous at night and I feel that a gun might help me at night.

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I know what will really help you...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: d4nky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DinnerRollofDoom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> for the past few months I have just been nervous at night and I feel that a gun might help me at night.

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I know what will really help you...</div></div>

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... on second thought, maybe not if you're feeling paranoid.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: d4nky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DinnerRollofDoom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> for the past few months I have just been nervous at night and I feel that a gun might help me at night.

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I know what will really help you...</div></div>

No. Drugs and guns do not mix, period, ever.

DRoll - if you do get down this way, you could head out with me and a couple of friends and we could shoot off some rounds together to get a feel for it. There are a couple of nice ranges, or plenty of places to go outside.
 
Thanks ace, maybe I will come down there when I get my tax return *shouldnt be more than 2-3 weeks*

and I didn't even get that drug reference from d4nky before you brought it up haha I must be slipping.

Thank you guys for all of the great suggestions and tips. If I decided to get a gun I think I am going to go with a hand gun, or a pump shotgun for the theatrics, and take the class and find a place to test it out. I know my girlfriends brother is really into guns, i'm sure I can just ask him.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wargazm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I go the Louisville Slugger route. Figured if I owned a gun almost any tense confrontation could end with a bang</div></div>

From a legal standpoint, I've been told by many police officers that in the long run you're better off killing a burglar in your home vs. attacking them with a blunt object and seriously injuring them. Our legal system is so screwed up that they have every right to turn around and sue you for any damages you did to them, even though they were in your house, illegally, and attempting to rob you.

I know someone who this did happen too, he attacked the robber with a beer bottle and ended up blinding him. Since the robber could "no longer work" he sued them and ended up eventually winning a huge settlement, causing them to end up bankrupt and losing everything.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wargazm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I go the Louisville Slugger route. Figured if I owned a gun almost any tense confrontation could end with a bang</div></div>

From a legal standpoint, I've been told by many police officers that in the long run you're better off killing a burglar in your home vs. attacking them with a blunt object and seriously injuring them. Our legal system is so screwed up that they have every right to turn around and sue you for any damages you did to them, even though they were in your house, illegally, and attempting to rob you.

I know someone who this did happen too, he attacked the robber with a beer bottle and ended up blinding him. Since the robber could "no longer work" he sued them and ended up eventually winning a huge settlement, causing them to end up bankrupt and losing everything. </div></div>

How about the burglar who tripped down the stairs of the house he was robbing. Ended up winning a settlement as well.

To be honest, this is where the system seems to fail; and there should be measures set forth to refuse settlements to those who put themselves in their own harm's way illegally, on a territory that the owner has a right to defend.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
From a legal standpoint, I've been told by many police officers that in the long run you're better off killing a burglar in your home vs. attacking them with a blunt object and seriously injuring them. Our legal system is so screwed up that they have every right to turn around and sue you for any damages you did to them, even though they were in your house, illegally, and attempting to rob you.

I know someone who this did happen too, he attacked the robber with a beer bottle and ended up blinding him. Since the robber could "no longer work" he sued them and ended up eventually winning a huge settlement, causing them to end up bankrupt and losing everything. </div></div>

You aren't supposed to attack burglar at all, you can only act only in self defense. I.e. if he threatens you, shooting an unarmed guy will be an issue for you. And yes, its better to shot him dead then leave him alive if you shoot. In the first case DA may not press charges against you.

Not sure, I was googling for a bit.

Burglar sues for getting shot, but the case dismissed.
http://gazettextra.com/news/2008/mar/06/judge-dismisses-burglars-lawsuit/

and more from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine#Duty-to-retreat

<span style="font-style: italic">Each state differs with respect to the specific instances in which the Castle Doctrine can be invoked, and what degree of retreat or non-deadly resistance (if any) is required before deadly force can be used.
In general, one (sometimes more) of a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:
An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied home, business or car.
The intruder must be acting illegally—e.g. the Castle Doctrine does not give the right to attack officers of the law acting in the course of their legal duties
The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home
The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglary
The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force
The occupant(s) of the home may be required to attempt to exit the house or otherwise retreat (this is called the "Duty to retreat" and most self-defense statutes referred to as examples of "Castle Doctrine" expressly state that the homeowner has no such duty)
In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home must be there legally, must not be fugitives from the law, must not be using the Castle Doctrine to aid or abet another person in being a fugitive from the law, and must not use deadly force upon an officer of the law or an officer of the peace while they are performing or attempting to perform their legal duties.
Note: the term "home" is used because most states only apply their Castle Doctrine to a place of residence; however, some states extend the protection to other legally-occupied places such as automobiles and places of business.

Alabama,[9] Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah[10] West Virginia and Wyoming have adopted Castle Doctrine statutes, and other states (Montana, Nebraska (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5348), New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington) are currently considering "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own.[11][12][13]</span>

not NY or NJ the two states I reside in.

You may want to check laws in your state/town. In washigton state looks like you can shoot at will.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.050

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Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is
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I live in Maine. In 2008, there were 25 violent crime deaths of which 9 involved the use of a gun. Of those 9, 6 were killed by a family member or acquaintance, the other 3 unknown.

I'll stick with my Louisville Slugger
 
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