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Child mistakes gun for Wii controller, kills herself.

Nothing makes me angrier than careless gun owners like this. I personally believe that it needs to be much more difficult for people in the United States to purchase guns. I know many of you may be shocked to hear that stance from me, but it's true.

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Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan, a Tennessee girl, aged 3, accidentally killed herself on Sunday night, according to local police in Wilson County. The incident allegedly occurred after she mistook a gun for a Wii controller.

Investigators claim that the girl's stepfather, Douglas Cronberger, had left a semi-automatic weapon on the living room table, and that the child had mistaken it for a Nintendo Wii controller. The child is then said to have fatally shot herself in the abdomen. She was rushed to hospital, but pronounced dead the same night.

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Pictured: Genuine gun on top, compared to Wii peripheral on bottom (WSMV)

The stepfather claims he was asleep at the time of the incident, according to authorities. The stepfather also claims the child's mother, Tina Ann Cronberger, was in the room with the child at the time of the incident. The mother was supposedly sitting at the computer, just a few feet away.

The mother has told authorities the girl might have thought she was playing with a Nintendo Wii controller that resembled a gun. According to the stepfather, the gun was out because he had heard a prowler and gotten the gun out earlier that evening. He then left the gun on the table in the living room. The gun is apparently a .380 caliber semi automatic handgun. The gun was usually kept unloaded and in a cabinet.

The child had been playing a Wii game. The game’s controller, according to authorities, was shaped like a gun that looked very similar to the real handgun. Cheyenne had learned how to use a gun from playing the Wii game for days. The authorities claim the girl "pulled the gun off the table and it went off."

There are no criminal charges pending, but the sheriff's office will turn information culled in its investigation over to prosecutors.

We advise parents concerned about their child's safety regarding Wii hardware to consult Nintendo's Wii safety page.
 
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Exactly Btrail, most all toy guns around here have orange caps. I guess Nintendo thought it would look to much like a toy by putting an orange cap on it.

But still, a 3 year old would probably still not recognize the difference in the two. I support owning guns in the home, but this guy needs to have something done to him for leaving a loaded gun on the living room table. It kind of pisses me off
 
Hey Kyro, long time no see!

I'm not against have guns but I do believe that the owners need to take some responsibility and not leave them out on a dining room table in clear sight of a 3 year old. (Not to mention, having it loaded without a safety)

Stupid, stupid, stupid...
 
Even under the circumstances, one click of the safety would've prevented it all.
 
Like Glocks, that gun doesn't have a click safety. It has a trigger-within-trigger safety to prevent it from being accidentally discharged. It doesn't, however, protect itself from kids.

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I don't see the point of a safety like that... The point is that you actually have to go out of your way to switch it on/off. That doesn't look like it could stop a newborn.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Handguns should be banned, want to defend yourself get a rifle that must have a click safety.
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QFT
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Handguns should be banned, want to defend yourself get a rifle that must have a click safety.
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I believe all guns should just be required to have a safety as a regulatory measure. And it shouldn't be a safetly like the one Kathunx provided; that's just a pitiful attempt at achieving a "safe" gun.
 
You guys are missing the point here. "Safety" mechanisms are on guns to prevent them from being accidentally discharged. Glock does this using the "trigger-in-trigger" method.

To keep the gun from kids, you need to have it stored away somewhere safe. This [censored] has it sitting on the living room table, locked and loaded.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kathunx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To keep the gun from kids, you need to have it stored away somewhere safe. This [censored] has it sitting on the living room table, locked and loaded. </div></div>

You're missing the point too. To keep guns from shotting innocents people, you need to keep guns away from "dipshits". Since you can't legally define who's a [censored], you have a problem.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kathunx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To keep the gun from kids, you need to have it stored away somewhere safe. This [censored] has it sitting on the living room table, locked and loaded. </div></div>

You're missing the point too. To keep guns from shotting innocents people, you need to keep guns away from "dipshits". Since you can't legally define who's a [censored], you have a problem.
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Guns are a defense mechanism, and should be used under last resort. But it is a right for someone to bear arms in self defense, and using that right shouldn't be looked down upon. What should be handled is the fact that this person made the mistake of having his loaded gun out after having taken it out earlier and then going to sleep without thinking twice about it.

At this point, the only safeguard would have been the safety but that unfortunately didn't prevent this little girl from shooting herself. It's a tragedy, but definitely a warning to those who own guns that even the slightest mistake can lead to these tragedies.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Guns are a defense mechanism, and should be used under last resort. But it is a right for someone to bear arms in self defense, and using that right shouldn't be looked down upon. What should be handled is the fact that this person made the mistake of having his loaded gun out after having taken it out earlier and then going to sleep without thinking twice about it.
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I hardly define a handgun a defense mechanism, get a shotgun. Also trigger lock isn't that hard to bypass for 4-5 yo.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Guns are a defense mechanism, and should be used under last resort. But it is a right for someone to bear arms in self defense, and using that right shouldn't be looked down upon. What should be handled is the fact that this person made the mistake of having his loaded gun out after having taken it out earlier and then going to sleep without thinking twice about it.
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I hardly define a handgun a defense mechanism, get a shotgun. Also trigger lock isn't that hard to bypass for 4-5 yo.
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I would define any weapon capable of doing harm a defense mechanism. Also, I stated previously that the safety on this gun is truly pitiful. That type of safety does not seem to have the capability to keep someone from accidentally firing the weapon if it is handled improperly, as it was here.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would define any weapon capable of doing harm a defense mechanism. Also, I stated previously that the safety on this gun is truly pitiful. That type of safety does not seem to have the capability to keep someone from accidentally firing the weapon if it is handled improperly, as it was here. </div></div>

Lets define bio weapons and nukes as a defense mechanism too :-)

Really, zero point in owning handguns at home. These should be restricted to only authorized official personnel. Kids aren't all retards and can by pass any safety measures that a gun may have, or even get the keys for a locked arms cabinet.

Rifles are bigger and a lot harder to use by kids, and shotguns are superior for home defense.

At the end of the day, a handgun at home killed a 3 years old child, if the handguns were banned she would be still alive. What's the price of a child's life these day?
 
While you have a valid point in saying that a hand gun took the life of a child today, that isn't to say that a child is capable of doing the same with a rifle. Additionally, although one life may be lost, there may be unaccountable lives protected because an intruder was scared off by a hand gun, or any gun for that matter. I don't like guns; but in a world in which people do harm for material gains, it's a very effective tool to keep yourself and family members safe in the correct circumstances and with correct precautions.
 
I personally have two handguns in my home that are loaded at all times. That said, I also have them locked in a safe that requires a alphanumeric entry as well as a hidden button to be pressed to gain access. I can open my gun safe in about 5 seconds but I also know the proper way. Also my gun safe is hidden where even children with free roam of my house would have an almost impossible time of even finding the safe. If they did find it they would fail to open seeing as my personal code is 12 digits and the secret button unlock.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hyk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally have two handguns in my home that are loaded at all times. That said, I also have them locked in a safe that requires a alphanumeric entry as well as a hidden button to be pressed to gain access. I can open my gun safe in about 5 seconds but I also know the proper way. Also my gun safe is hidden where even children with free roam of my house would have an almost impossible time of even finding the safe. If they did find it they would fail to open seeing as my personal code is 12 digits and the secret button unlock. </div></div>

^ This is proper and well-thought out control. Well done, even with the code alone being the barrier, the secret button itself proves to be the extra safety feature that really shows concern for these kinds of incidents.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While you have a valid point in saying that a hand gun took the life of a child today, that isn't to say that a child is capable of doing the same with a rifle. Additionally, although one life may be lost, there may be unaccountable lives protected because an intruder was scared off by a hand gun, or any gun for that matter. I don't like guns; but in a world in which people do harm for material gains, it's a very effective tool to keep yourself and family members safe in the correct circumstances and with correct precautions. </div></div>

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Ok, tell me how would a 3yo kid would pickup a shotgun, point to her chest and shoot. Lets start with the part of picking a shotgun in the first place.

You meant to say handguns used to kill people more then all other firearms combined. All statistics show that the handguns are used in more then 80% of all firearm related crimes/accidents/etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg

Shotguns are superior defense weapons then a handgun at home. With a rifle I can put a bullet through your eye from 200 feet.

In 32 years of my life I never needed a gun for self defense, and I lived in far more dangerous countries then US.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Really, zero point in owning handguns at home. These should be restricted to only authorized official personnel. Kids aren't all retards and can by pass any safety measures that a gun may have, or even get the keys for a locked arms cabinet.

Rifles are bigger and a lot harder to use by kids, and shotguns are superior for home defense.

At the end of the day, a handgun at home killed a 3 years old child, if the handguns were banned she would be still alive. What's the price of a child's life these day?</div></div>

1572 People died today from Cancer. We should go ahead and ban Cigaretts since most of those are from smoking and kills more people per a day then guns.

203 People died today due to Diabetes. We should outlaw sugar as it kills more people per a day then guns.

114 people died today from Car Accidents in the United States alone. I'm sure a good portion of those were children. We should go ahead and ban cars before we ban guns.

About 30 people a day drown in the United States. Most of them are children. We should probably go ahead and ban swimming pools, bathtubs, and spas since they kill more people per a day then guns.

4 People died from accidental electrocution today. Most of them were children. We should go ahead and ban electricity as it kills more people per a day then guns.

3 people a day die from guns in the United States.

If all these other, far deadlier items get banned, I'll go along with banning guns. It would in fact be far easier to do so then banning guns as of all the items I mentioned, they're directly guaranteed in our Constitution.

I mean, really, who really needs automobiles, electricity, sugar, and swimming pools or even bathtubs? Those are merely comforts, where as a gun is a tool and in many cases, a necessity.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Really, zero point in owning handguns at home. These should be restricted to only authorized official personnel. Kids aren't all retards and can by pass any safety measures that a gun may have, or even get the keys for a locked arms cabinet.

Rifles are bigger and a lot harder to use by kids, and shotguns are superior for home defense.

At the end of the day, a handgun at home killed a 3 years old child, if the handguns were banned she would be still alive. What's the price of a child's life these day?</div></div>

1572 People died today from Cancer. We should go ahead and ban Cigaretts since most of those are from smoking and kills more people per a day then guns.

203 People died today due to Diabetes. We should outlaw sugar as it kills more people per a day then guns.

114 people died today from Car Accidents in the United States alone. I'm sure a good portion of those were children. We should go ahead and ban cars before we ban guns.

About 30 people a day drown in the United States. Most of them are children. We should probably go ahead and ban swimming pools, bathtubs, and spas since they kill more people per a day then guns.

4 People died from accidental electrocution today. Most of them were children. We should go ahead and ban electricity as it kills more people per a day then guns.

3 people a day die from guns in the United States.

If all these other, far deadlier items get banned, I'll go along with banning guns. It would in fact be far easier to do so then banning guns as of all the items I mentioned, they're directly guaranteed in our Constitution.

I mean, really, who really needs automobiles, electricity, sugar, and swimming pools or even bathtubs? Those are merely comforts, where as a gun is a tool and in many cases, a necessity. </div></div>


Now THIS is how you dish it out!
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Really, zero point in owning handguns at home. These should be restricted to only authorized official personnel. Kids aren't all retards and can by pass any safety measures that a gun may have, or even get the keys for a locked arms cabinet.

Rifles are bigger and a lot harder to use by kids, and shotguns are superior for home defense.

At the end of the day, a handgun at home killed a 3 years old child, if the handguns were banned she would be still alive. What's the price of a child's life these day?</div></div>

1572 People died today from Cancer. We should go ahead and ban Cigaretts since most of those are from smoking and kills more people per a day then guns.

203 People died today due to Diabetes. We should outlaw sugar as it kills more people per a day then guns.

114 people died today from Car Accidents in the United States alone. I'm sure a good portion of those were children. We should go ahead and ban cars before we ban guns.

About 30 people a day drown in the United States. Most of them are children. We should probably go ahead and ban swimming pools, bathtubs, and spas since they kill more people per a day then guns.

4 People died from accidental electrocution today. Most of them were children. We should go ahead and ban electricity as it kills more people per a day then guns.

3 people a day die from guns in the United States.

If all these other, far deadlier items get banned, I'll go along with banning guns. It would in fact be far easier to do so then banning guns as of all the items I mentioned, they're directly guaranteed in our Constitution.

I mean, really, who really needs automobiles, electricity, sugar, and swimming pools or even bathtubs? Those are merely comforts, where as a gun is a tool and in many cases, a necessity.</div></div>

Wow were are those stats from ?
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
1572 People died today from Cancer. We should go ahead and ban Cigaretts since most of those are from smoking and kills more people per a day then guns.
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Yes, second hand smoking is actually banned in a lot cities in US. Otherwise how would you kill an another person with a cigarette, poke an eye out?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
203 People died today due to Diabetes. We should outlaw sugar as it kills more people per a day then guns.
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Really what does cause diabetes? Mostly Sugar?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
114 people died today from Car Accidents in the United States alone. I'm sure a good portion of those were children. We should go ahead and ban cars before we ban guns.
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The difference between owning a handgun and driving car, that's one can be a necessity the other one is hobby. And I would like to see how's a handgun is a necessity, humor me.

While you there let see usage statistics of a car vs a gun, lets say how many guns carried vs car driven.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
About 30 people a day drown in the United States. Most of them are children. We should probably go ahead and ban swimming pools, bathtubs, and spas since they kill more people per a day then guns.
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Did they also drag everyone around them in the water? Nope.

Though your statistics is funny, last time I check guns kill about 30k/year in US, 3x356= ~1350. Multiply that 3 by 30.

And drownings are about what 2-3k drowned a year, not 12k. Really funny statistics you got there.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stats were pulled off the US Gov's Death Statistics Web Site. Compiled by the CDC using the "Cause of Death" field on Death Certificates. </div></div>

o wow ...
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The difference between owning a handgun and driving car, that's one can be a necessity the other one is hobby. And I would like to see how's a handgun is a necessity, humor me.

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Go read some Thomas Paine, or Patrick Henry. The case has been made in the Supreme Court that many of the Founding Fathers intended the Second Amendment to not be a suggestion, but rather an order and duty as a Citizen of the United States. In light of the fact that they specifically declined to having a standing army (according to Thomas Jefferson, who reluctantly ended up forming one with the intention of disbanding it after the Barbary Pirates were defeated,) a Militia is a necessity.

It can be easily argued that by not owning a gun, you are violating Federal Law and in this case are technically giving up all your Constitutional Rights. The more paranoid (or perhaps realistic) would say that having a gun in todays world is a necessity in protecting against the current standing army.

As a child, growing up in a rather rural area, and in extremely poor circumstances, a gun frequently meant the difference between starvation and life. In many parts of the Western United States, this is still very true.

Remember when Australia banned hand guns? Crime rose 600% in the first year. Gun related crimes alone went up something like 200%, and a whole new category of crime was created - Thugs simply walking into a home, in broad day light, while the residents were present and stealing anything they wanted, because they knew there were no guns to be threatened with. This became such a problem, that the three people most involved with getting the law passed, publicly apologized for doing so and admitted that they were short sighted.

If you don't like that example, you might want to do some research into gun control and the rise of the Nazi and Communist Parties.

308,843,984 people in the US today
254,000,000 passenger cars in the US in 2007
235,000,000 Guns in the United States in 1997

I apologize for the drastic year differences, best numbers I could find.

Eyeballing the figures there, I'd say that the per capita death figures, even using your numbers is still drastically different. The fact remains, that the average person is still more likely to die from a car, electrocution, or drowning then from a gun. We have direct proof in the example of Australia and several other European Nations that banning guns does not work and only increases gun related deaths.

Here are some out of date figures that talk a lot more about this: http://www.gunsafe.org/position statements/Guns and crime.htm
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stats were pulled off the US Gov's Death Statistics Web Site. Compiled by the CDC using the "Cause of Death" field on Death Certificates. </div></div>

I call bullshit on your data, Ace. Really I pulled my statistics from the final data 2006 from here:

http://cdc.gov/NCHS/nvss.htm

Now lets see your data source.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ace Logan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">s.

Here are some out of date figures that talk a lot more about this: http://www.gunsafe.org/position statements/Guns and crime.htm </div></div>

You just prove yourself that you're wrong. According to that link, its in clear that 33000 die from guns every year.

I am done here, believe what you want Ace. I am not wasting my time with a fanatic who can't see facts.


Also here Australia, prove me with facts:

In 2000, the American National Rifle Association claimed that violent crimes had increased in Australia since the introduction of new laws based on some highly selective statistics from newspaper articles. Federal Attorney General Daryl Williams accused the NRA of falsifying government statistics and urged the NRA to "remove any reference to Australia" from its website
 
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Please explain how a gun is a necessitie?

.... how? I can not even fathom the idea of a gun becoming a daily need.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: atraill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.... how? I can not even fathom the idea of a gun becoming a daily need.</div></div>
yer Canadian eh
 
Trails, I think Ace means that a gun can become a necessity if the situation were to arise. I think if an armed gang member were to break into your house, you'd probably want a gun in your hands. In fact, even if the police were there at the same time, I would STILL want a gun in my hands. The only person in the world I trust with my life is me.

If there was a way to take every gun off the streets, out of the hands of every bad guy, I would willingly give up my right to bare arms. But until then, I will not give up my right to bare arms until I know that every bad guy has evened the fight.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One example of how a gun is used in self defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU

Although the video may seem humorous, I can't imagine what would have happened had the man not had a pistol to defend himself. </div></div>

Do you think that we are completely retarded? This is an insult to my intelligence.

So a guy drives in a car then decided to go to a dead end, pulls a gun out? ROFL. How about just driving away whatever way he was going to? That would happened if he didn't have a gun.

Lets arm all the kids in the schools so they won't get bullied.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One example of how a gun is used in self defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU

Although the video may seem humorous, I can't imagine what would have happened had the man not had a pistol to defend himself. </div></div>

Do you think that we are completely retarded? This is an insult to my intelligence.

So a guy drives in a car then decided to go to a dead end, pulls a gun out? ROFL. How about just driving away whatever way he was going to? That would happened if he didn't have a gun.

Lets arm all the kids in the schools so they won't get bullied. </div></div>

I'm not trying to be insulting in any way, shape, or form; but I am confused as to why you would rather ban simply handguns when any gun in general can be accidentally discharged or used in criminal activity.

Just three weeks ago, a man used a rifle to gun down children at a middle school parking lot. (Article)

And here is an article of a shot gun accident last month.
(Article)

Crime and accidents are going to happen with any weapon. Banning one for the sole purpose of trying to evade these events just won't get rid of it.

Again, I'm not trying to be fresh or rude; it's just my opinion that weapons have their positive and negative sides.
 
This story saddens me. Ironically, the gun which was intended for self-defense, ends up being the killer. But then most of the time people don't even buy guns for self-defense.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MMO-Armory.com</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This story saddens me. Ironically, the gun which was intended for self-defense, ends up being the killer. But then most of the time people don't even buy guns for self-defense.</div></div>

Well in New Zealand its Illegal to own a fire arm with out a license , All i can see having a firearm would do i provide a sense of security tbh.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vampire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One example of how a gun is used in self defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU

Although the video may seem humorous, I can't imagine what would have happened had the man not had a pistol to defend himself. </div></div>

Do you think that we are completely retarded? This is an insult to my intelligence.

So a guy drives in a car then decided to go to a dead end, pulls a gun out? ROFL. How about just driving away whatever way he was going to? That would happened if he didn't have a gun.

Lets arm all the kids in the schools so they won't get bullied. </div></div>

This guy has officially passed Hardstylin at pissing me off on these forums.

Just shut up and join a gun hate club where you live if you dislike them that much.

I personally have a 12 gauge and a .22 sitting in my closet, and a 6 shooter in my dresser. I'd much rather use the 6 shooter if I was being attacked, burglarized, etc in the home.
It's much more portable, and much more compact than a rifle or a shotgun. To be honest, I wouldn't want to kill whoever I HAD to use it on either, which would be alot easier to avoid with a pistol.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Apoclypse</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: atraill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.... how? I can not even fathom the idea of a gun becoming a daily need.</div></div>
yer Canadian eh </div></div>
could be french
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blackgoat_08</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just shut up and join a gun hate club where you live if you dislike them that much.
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Why don't you just put a gun in your mouth and pull a trigger? I hope your dresser has a lock on it.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Crime and accidents are going to happen with any weapon. Banning one for the sole purpose of trying to evade these events just won't get rid of it.

Again, I'm not trying to be fresh or rude; it's just my opinion that weapons have their positive and negative sides. </div></div>

Handguns vs Rifles

Handguns can be concealed, and used by 4 out of 5 murders (committed with firearms) by criminals. Criminal gets 50% of all guns from friends & families who buys those for them.

Handguns are smaller, and the idiot in the story had a tiny one, that even practically an infant could use.

Handguns are inaccurate at long-mid and even close range, want to try to shot me from 300ft while I'll put many holes with a rifle. For home a 12 gauge is a better weapon for most, also shotguns have less penetration then handguns - you aren't going to kill your neighbor if you miss.

But in the end guns are a hobby, in reality how many of you were assaulted at home? Its ILLEGAL (few states I checked) to shoot an intruder unless you're in immediate danger. Shooting an unarmed drunk idiot that has no weapons will get you to jail for a long time.

I do visit shooting ranges quiet occasionally, the only time I would get a weapon if I would be living near a forest with bears or some similar threat.
 
"Im going to play video games" Games lead to violence and drug abuse! Your gonna kill us all!!

"Im going to buy a gun" A safe and practical way to protect your family

and people wonder why there are school shootings...
 
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