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    Scammed in a middle of Trade Guardian transaction

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    Purchase Date:9/20/2018
    Date the problem begain:9/20/2018
    Method of Contact Used (chat progam):
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    Mizgala
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    Approximate value of property: 180$+ 15$ that i payed for trade guardian.
    Was Trade Guardian used? If so, what is the TG ID# 7074
    What is the dispute about?

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    Wanted to buy an account from this member,we agreed on MM which i payed,he gave info to @useeds,he changed everything and right after i payed,Mizgala stopped answering,he recalled his email instantly and now i am without my money.
    I don't understand how is this SECURE deal if a seller who gets money can just ran away with it.
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    useeds to come here and write how everything went,cause i don't have time for this.

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    Did the seller say he is the original owner? (provide proof)
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    How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
    If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
    (you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)

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    seller was able to recall the account even with new password and securities. he acted immediately after the buyer sent the money.

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    What email provider was it?


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    you deleted all back up emails? booted all active sessions before buyer sent him money?


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    @doomedtofail If useeds did all of that,this guy wouldn't be able to recall the mail so fast,it was literally few mins,i didn't even get to enter to the account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delac View Post
    @doomedtofail If useeds did all of that,this guy wouldn't be able to recall the mail so fast,it was literally few mins,i didn't even get to enter to the account.
    I've had the same stuff happen to me as well. And it's not just me, other middleman have had the issue as well, though it happens quite rarely.

    If the guy has an intention of scamming he will do that anyways. 2 mins after the trade or 2 days, doesn't matter. This has been discussed lots of times. It's the downside of the business that you're running as a reseller. sometimes you will encounter such issues, you're not the first nor the last person to experience this.

    My advice is to use goods/services when dealing with people that have fresh registration date and such, so that you have a fighting chance in the dispute if things go south.


    He has been nofified. Ban in 24 hours. Threads removed to prevent further scamming

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    @Rmik I understand all of that,but the scam ocurred in the middle of trade guardian transaction,i should have some protection using it right?I literally payed service for nothing and i would like my refund.
    I’ve opened a dispute yesterday instantly,going to my bank today aswell to resolve this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Delac View Post
    @Rmik I understand all of that,but the scam ocurred in the middle of trade guardian transaction,i should have some protection using it right?I literally payed service for nothing and i would like my refund.
    I’ve opened a dispute yesterday instantly,going to my bank today aswell to resolve this.
    And if he recalled the account 2 days later, would you be okay with that? In either case you would have lost the account, 2 mins later or 2 days later, I don't know why you guys don't undertand that.

    So recall happens 2 days later - MM is a good guy, recall happens right after the payment - MM is a bad guy. Pretty silly logic if you ask me.

    When using Trade Guardian you should read the part called "Answers to most common questions" where it says middleman is not a God and he can't foresee/prevent scams from happening. It only makes sure that the buyer or seller don't need to go first. Buyers can chargeback, sellers can recover the accounts most of the time. This is a 50/50 situation.

    You're paying for escrow, you're not paying for lifetime warranty, you're not paying for extrasensory abilities of the middleman that will look in the future and tell you that you will be scammed 2 days later.

    To all reputable members with at least 50 reputation, my strong advice is to never go first, to not buy fishy accounts that are sold for much cheaper than they normally cost, do not send money via friends/family/bitcoin/steam wallet code.

    Reason for that is sellers that want such payments they do that so that you can't chargeback the funds, but if you have reputation that's your guarantee that you will not scam and you can insist on using normal ways of payment where you have protection in case things go south.

    Reputable sellers however are allowed to ask for non-recoverable ways of payment because once again, their reputation should serve as a warranty that they will not scam you.


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    I am trying to tell him that.
    I don't see any rules stating what happends if mm losses the account in the middle of trade guardian transaction.It only says that MM isn't responsible for any recalls or chargebacks AFTER susscesfull deal.
    I don't know if he would recall anyways or not,i just know that service that i payed for was a big fail,if he secured the gmail account better scammer wouldn't be able to get it back in a minute.It would be also easier for me to ban that guys Fortnite account as i had the access previosly and ofcourse get my money back,but the account wasn't even delivered.

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    Let @EpicNPC weigh in on this, as it's better to get a more solid standing on the current case.


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    The scammer Mizgala has been banned.

    scammers info:
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    Delac, please open a dispute with Paypal to recover your payment. Once PP has made a decision, please contact me directly with the outcome.

    I'm closing this since the seller has been banned.

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